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[Hubris Incalculable]

Keep in mind, Best Korea has nuclear missiles like this guy has a monster truck.

You could do some decent damage with that.

Yeah, but mostly to your own vehicle.

[Absolute Niro]

That's a surprisingly good analogy, considering it was made by 3 different people.

[misko27]

They are nukes. Yes, they are small, cheap, but they get the job done. And that job is something we'd prefer to not leave to estimations of how capable they are. Similar to who we'd not gamble with pressing a big red button knowing there was a chance, no matter how remote, of it ending all human life, similarly, we'd prefer not to underestimate them.


Also, it's people like you guys that are why north korea has nuclear tests.

[Sensei]

They are nukes. Yes, they are small, cheap, but they get the job done.

That's actually not certain. We know that they have created a large underground explosion which they claim was a nuclear device. It's unlikely, but they could be lying. We all doubt that they are capable of creating a nuclear device small enough to be mounted on a rocket. We know they aren't capable of feeding anybody or keeping a working fleet of military trucks (they've been converted to wood burning engines and the tires are full of dried rice).

More damningly, we know they aren't actually mobilizing any troops, tanks or artillery except for a couple outdated rocket-trucks they move up and down the coast every once in a while. We can see their troops. They're not actually taking measures to prepare for a war.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

The CIA believes they have 10-12 nukes, and while they lie about a lot of things they wouldn't lie about this.

[Loud Whispers]

What, the notion that people are talking about sexism in games? I... don't see how the notion that people are talking about it is contested.

Yep it's contested. Otherwise you wouldn't get people trying to raise awareness if it were considered by all to be common knowledge.

They are nukes. Yes, they are small, cheap, but they get the job done.

Large, costly and unlikely to succeed

Also, it's people like you guys that are why north korea has nuclear tests.

Elaborate?

[IronyOwl]

THAT is for the tropes thread, what Magma said. All I was saying was that something could be going on for years and years, as an undercurrent, and then suddenly break out into mass public consciousness, as seen in the sexism in games, and with North Koreans seemingly suddenly distrusting their government.

Except that notion is contested/not immediately obvious, as Magma's response indicates, meaning it's both a bit deraily and not a good analogy or example, as Magma's response indicates.

What, the notion that people are talking about sexism in games? I... don't see how the notion that people are talking about it is contested.

"Some people are talking about it some" probably isn't contested for anything, which also means it's not saying much. I thought your point in both cases was that people are all of a sudden talking about it a bunch even though nothing has really changed?

They are nukes. Yes, they are small, cheap, but they get the job done. And that job is something we'd prefer to not leave to estimations of how capable they are. Similar to who we'd not gamble with pressing a big red button knowing there was a chance, no matter how remote, of it ending all human life, similarly, we'd prefer not to underestimate them.

We don't want to overestimate them either. Panicking makes you less safe and prosperous, not more.

Also, it's people like you guys that are why north korea has nuclear tests.

NK has nuclear tests because people kept laughing at how bad their nukes were?

Now if only they'd take our feeding their people jibes more seriously.

The CIA believes they have 10-12 nukes, and while they lie about a lot of things they wouldn't lie about this.

I don't see why not. They're a black ops organization that can wriggle out of most accountability issues on the basis of national secrets, aren't they?

[Xantalos]

Also, it's people like you guys that are why north korea has nuclear tests.

Elaborate?

We exist. Therefore Best Korea has something to bomb.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

The CIA believes they have 10-12 nukes, and while they lie about a lot of things they wouldn't lie about this.

I don't see why not. They're a black ops organization that can wriggle out of most accountability issues on the basis of national secrets, aren't they?

That's not the point. It isn't in their interests to say NK has nukes when they don't. If NK does not have nukes and says it does, then the CIA has the choice to either lie or tell the truth.

If they lie, then they implicitly are helping North Korea by maintaining their threat and allowing the US to look foolish if it ever comes out any other way that they have no nukes.

If they tell the truth, then they make NK look declawed and pathetic on the world stage.

[Loud Whispers]

That's not the point. It isn't in their interests to say NK has nukes when they don't. If NK does not have nukes and says it does, then the CIA has the choice to either lie or tell the truth.

If they lie, then they implicitly are helping North Korea by maintaining their threat and allowing the US to look foolish if it ever comes out any other way that they have no nukes.

If they tell the truth, then they make NK look declawed and pathetic on the world stage.

Where have we heard claims of weapons of mass destruction which turned out to be false used for political gain before...

Also, it's people like you guys that are why north korea has nuclear tests.

Elaborate?

We exist. Therefore Best Korea has something to bomb.

Crap.

I just realized we don't exist. We're a virtual construct imagined by a young Kim Jong-Il in his dreams, a world where North Korea is the underdog in a sea of military nations and progressive unions stacked against a bleak country.
North Korea is actually the best nation in the world and all its people live in constant prosperity. They have traveled the stars and unraveled the secrets of the universe, living with solid societal integrity and unity that prizes intelligence and open minded advances in culture and science.
And then Kim Jong-Il wakes up...

[IronyOwl]

If they lie, then they implicitly are helping North Korea by maintaining their threat and allowing the US to look foolish if it ever comes out any other way that they have no nukes.

Wasn't this exactly what happened in Iraq, though? They looked foolish, but nothing bad happened to them (or anyone else, really).

Ninja'd by Loud.

If they tell the truth, then they make NK look declawed and pathetic on the world stage.

That's true. It does assume that's what they want, though, which again, I'm not sure has been established.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Where have we heard claims of weapons of mass destruction which turned out to be false used for political gain before...

Your distrust is ignoring the context of the situation. The CIA are black hats, but they aren't fucking cartoon villains. They will act, whether moral or immorally, in a fashion that rationally benefits the interests of the CIA and the USA.

North Korea is not Iraq. There is virtually nothing they want there. Invading it would be a geopolitical mess that would make Iraq look fine and dandy. And once the invasion is over you're gonna bet China is going to start asking everyone why there needs to be such a high US military presence in the area anymore.

[Osmosis Jones]

Where have we heard claims of weapons of mass destruction which turned out to be false used for political gain before...

Your distrust is ignoring the context of the situation. The CIA are black hats, but they aren't fucking cartoon villains. They will act, whether moral or immorally, in a fashion that rationally benefits the interests of the CIA and the USA.

North Korea is not Iraq. There is virtually nothing they want there. Invading it would be a geopolitical mess that would make Iraq look fine and dandy. And once the invasion is over you're gonna bet China is going to start asking everyone why there needs to be such a high US military presence in the area anymore.

Regarding WMDs in Iraq, according to a CIA analyst working on that exact data, the blame lies rather squarely with the politicians, not with what the CIA was reporting.

[Skyrunner]

In the morning, I saw a dozen big 50-seater buses loading up people. There was a small sign with the words 'Mobilizing Reserves' on each one. O.o I also saw a jeep/humvee/whatever military car.

I think it's routine, but it's the first time I've seen the buses appear there over a year.

[10ebbor10]

Just a note, I think the only thing we know for certain is that they probably have enough nuclear material for 10-12 warheads (max.)

Wherether they have warheads that work is doubtable, but I think they're capable of nuclear detonations.