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[Morrigi]

North Korea can go fuck itself while we focus on real problems like the economy and adhering to the U.S. Constitution.

[lordcooper]

Truly an enlightened world view.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

"Economy jobs national security growth family values god." -Every modern speech in America.

[alexandertnt]

North Korea can go fuck itself while we focus on real problems like the economy and adhering to the U.S. Constitution.

Exactly. Becase an insane, paranoid coutry developing nuclear weapons and the technology to deliver them long distances is not a real problem at all.

[Strife26]

North Korea can go fuck itself while we focus on real problems like the economy and adhering to the U.S. Constitution.

Exactly. Becase an insane, paranoid coutry developing nuclear weapons and the technology to deliver them long distances is not a real problem at all.

And there's no moral imperative to continue helping South Korea, either.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

North Korea can go fuck itself while we focus on real problems like the economy and adhering to the U.S. Constitution.

Exactly. Becase an insane, paranoid coutry developing nuclear weapons and the technology to deliver them long distances is not a real problem at all.

And there's no moral imperative to continue helping South Korea, either.

Nor any legal imperative, and certainly no treaties approved by the United States Senate.

[Owlbread]

"Economy jobs national security growth family values god." -Every modern speech in America.

You forgot "Middle class". That's used to the same effect as the words "Working class" once did.

Exactly. Becase an insane, paranoid coutry developing nuclear weapons and the technology to deliver them long distances is not a real problem at all.

I don't mean to be a fuddy-duddy but I'm actually more concerned about the soul-destroying human rights abuses in that hellhole of a country than the fact that they may or may not have nuclear capabilities.

I know this is probably going to derail us somewhat, but that same line of thinking leads to people thanking American and British soldiers for fighting in Afghanistan and "defending our country" when they're mostly protecting Afghan civilians, as they should be.

Sorry for the double post.

[Owlbread]

-double post, my apologies-

[alexandertnt]

[quote author=Owlbread link=topic=123671.msg4127050#msg4127050 date=1364127560
I don't mean to be a fuddy-duddy but I'm actually more concerned about the soul-destroying human rights abuses in that hellhole of a country than the fact that they may or may not have nuclear capabilities.

I know this is probably going to derail us somewhat, but that same line of thinking leads to people thanking American and British soldiers for fighting in Afghanistan and "defending our country" when they're mostly protecting Afghan civilians, as they should be.
[/quote]

The reason I gave was a reason that America needs to concern itself with North Korea. The sort of reason even a crazy ultra-isolationist would have to agree  is a probem that cannot be ignored.

So yeah, I am also concerned for the human rights of North Korea and do not want that to be taken in such a way that makes me sound like I am only concerned with myself/my own country. It was only made to sound like that for sake of argument.

[Lagslayer]

Here's a likely course for NK to pursue:

1. Raise the ante by scrapping the ceasefire treaties (check)
2. Convince the US to enter peace treaty negotiations.
3. Some of the embargos and sanctions are lifted.
4. Export to US
5. Literally profit.

Beijing doesn't have much sway with NK anymore. They got fed up of lapping up the scraps Beijing gave them.

I sorta think you're wrong on this one.Mostly because they don't simply give scraps, they literally run their entire economy. it more like their acting out against them, trying to avoid being a new province. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/22/china-stops-oil-exports-north-korea-possibly-punis/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS


And they are failing.

Whatever was in that link, I cannot see. Every time I try to open it, it crashes forefox. All the tabs, all the windows, completely locked.

[Skyrunner]

Does this work?

[Lagslayer]

Does this work?

Yes. TY.

[mainiac]

Skyrunner, why are you reading the Washington Times?  The Washington Times is not a respected newspaper.  The Washington Post is hardly a shining gem of journalistic integrity but the Times is hardly deserving the title of newspaper.

[Lagslayer]

Perspective, even the batshit insane extreme minority ones, have some value.

[mainiac]

People say that a lot, what exactly do they mean by it?  Why is the Washington Times perspective on North Korea going to give us something of value that we couldn't get from a better paper like the New York Times or Le Monde?