So how about that Labour election and Corbyn victory?
Yay! We have a left-wing candidate! Actual labour, rather than Conservativised labour! People will bother to vote for him!
Thankfully not enough, his policies to leave NATO, scrap Trident - even his position on the EU is costing him.
Apparently also a russian shill, amongst other things. I love him flaws and alls, he is my shill too, don't see what the great big fuss is about the guy. Doesn't seem all that bad besides crippling naivety. His Corbynomics could work, shame I disagree on just about everything else as I'd like to like the guy. I think most of Britain would feel the same way.
Well, I'll be brief anyways. See, the main thing that's causing a confusion, at least on my part and with your posts, is more or less semantics. Namely the usage of term "progressivism". When I think of "progressivism" I equal this with being a rational human being. My naive thinking, perhaps? So when you were branding people supporting the ISIS as progressives... yeah, this just doesn't make sense to me.
Left-wing socialists with a keen edge for social justice that literally describe themselves proudly as progressive. What would you call them? Quacks like a duck, labelled a duck, looks like a duck, tastes like duck, is actually a duck - I'll call it a duck. Call it what you want.
Not a bad song either. Rational means rational, progressive means progressive.
Hey, I'm a simple man, to me someone conducting a systematic rape&pillage&enslavement can't really be an "alternative to western colonialism" or what was that thing? Then again, it's new to me that people would actually, publicly and en masse support Daesh or even just giving them the benefit of a doubt. Must be your (local?) thing? Anyways, if people like that are calling themselves progressives... please put your leg in their faces for me next time you meet them. If you yourself call them that, well, this is the point where I'd start to argue with you. But I do not see any point, and while we also seems to disagree on other points (your vision of future Europe seems a lot more grim than even my most pessimistic one, for example), we do seem to agree on others and stuff Nick K said was also cleared up so I'll just call it a day here.
My local thing? If it was localized and not spread around Europe I'd be much less concerned. If I put a leg in all their faces I'd be left with no legs. I also do not see how my vision of future Europe is all that grim; my ideal hopes see national democracy and sovereignty restored, German hegemony broken, immigrant crisis over, prosperity of a Europe together in trade but not in power, and the UK departing grim Frankfurt for sunny Colombo. Even my grimmest, grimmest view of Europe's future is not the end of Europe; it will be the end of Europe as we know it, but not the end of Europe. Even the most Daily Mail-esque scenario of political Islam becoming the dominant force in Europe wouldn't change much except the colour of politics and architecture; and when all the old Europeans are dead no one will care about whose streets used to belong to who and business will thrive along the new silk road. Short of some civil war, I think I'd find Islamic Western Europe hilarious fun; the call to prayer 5 times a day would get grating but if needs be salam alaikum new overlords
With X that big, you are either a space-time breaking entity or sentient London.
Or I like walking on two axes, the vector kind not the painful kind
That term is a weird misnomer, anyway – what's so damn progressive about vouching for bog-standard mainstream ideas like human rights?
1. Not everyone agrees on what human rights entail or who they should protect; for example we cannot make any of our ISIS fighters stateless as that would violate their human rights or we cannot keep Adebolajo in solitary even after he keeps converting more prisoners to Sunni Islam.
2. Depends how you go about fighting for human rights too, since especially in Europe progressivism = EU
IIRC, the Conservative actually lost votes at the last elections, compared to the previous one.
Despite possibly losing millions of votes to UKIP the Tories still had a net gain in votes