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[Graknorke]

-Sees "Migrants invade Europe" headline in local newspaper-

Depending on which newspapers you read, that's been the newspaper headline for years.

[DJ]

Unless he did wipe out one of the tribes he's not genocidal, he's just a ruthless killer of his enemies. Necklacing his enemies, ordering the shellhouse massacre or what name you, these do not surmount to genocide - I'm splitting straws but they have to be split. A genocide is apart from regular crimes in that the destruction it causes is existential.

So would you say that Srebrenica massacre wasn't a genocidal act, seeing how Bosnian Muslims still exist?

[SirQuiamus]

-Sees "Migrants invade Europe" headline in local newspaper-

Depending on which newspapers you read, that's been the newspaper headline for years.

Ever since the 13th century, to be precise.


This Vice feature about Polish mall ninjas soldiers and true patriots is relevant to the recent discussion. The interesting bit is that many of these groups refuse to subject themselves to regular army command, and no-one seems particularly concerned about that.

[Sergarr]

Why would they be concerned, though? Everyone knows that these organizations would not work against Poland. They're also perfect deniable assets for across-border operations.

[Helgoland]

Don't take this the wrong way, but that's a very, um, Russian reaction to such information.

[smjjames]

Why would they be concerned, though? Everyone knows that these organizations would not work against Poland. They're also perfect deniable assets for across-border operations.

That's even assuming Poland wants to do cross-border operations on Russia.

Also, you saw what happened when you couldn't control your Donbass/Luhansk proxy rebels.

[Sergarr]

Don't take this the wrong way, but that's a very, um, Russian reaction to such information.

Very Western, too, given that Right Sector has been doing so for the majority of the last year, with very little fuss.

Why would they be concerned, though? Everyone knows that these organizations would not work against Poland. They're also perfect deniable assets for across-border operations.

That's even assuming Poland wants to do cross-border operations on Russia.

Also, you saw what happened when you couldn't control your Donbass/Luhansk proxy rebels.

When I've said "across-border", I mostly mean "across-Ukrainian-border".

[smjjames]

Oh, you mostly mean the Lwow thing.

Really though, the best thing for Europe is for all of you to bury the hatchet on territorial claims, imagined or otherwise. And yes, I know Hungary will probably moan 'Trianon! Trianon!..... TRIANON!'. Edit: And that would POSSIBLY mean that Russia would have to either give Crimea back, do a timeshare with Ukraine on it (however the heck that works), or release as an independent state.

Disclaimer: I'm just being a meddling American here, lol

[ChairmanPoo]

Failing the English listening tests can be hazardous for your health.

[Kot]

I haven't watched the thing yet, shitty internet preventing me from (the damn things jaims every time as the guy is about to say "If you want peace, be prepared for war"), but AFAIK, those guys don't actually have real guns, except maybe few pistols or hunting rifles. Firearms access is very damn strict in Poland and even if you have a license, it will be either pistol or hunting/sporting rifle, though that doesn't mean they don't have some experience in shooting guns even if they were civvies all along, as shooting ranges are still a thing (rare and quite crap but hey). Lwów is safe, at least until Polish Army decides to go there and arm the guys with guns for some reason, but they won't do it unless Russia invades or something.
I haven't watched it as mentioned, so if they actually have working guns I will be glad to know how.

[SirQuiamus]

There's a scene with those guys doing target practice with assault weapons and live ammunition. As to how they got those guns, your guess is as good as mine, but they definitely have them all the same. I'm quite certain that they won't be marching on Lwów any time soon, but it's still a good idea to keep an eye on heavily-armed militant groups, wherever they happen to crop up.

[Helgoland]

Don't take this the wrong way, but that's a very, um, Russian reaction to such information.

Very Western, too, given that Right Sector has been doing so for the majority of the last year, with very little fuss.

- Ukraine doesn't exactly count as Western
- Across what border has Right Sector been operating?

[LordSlowpoke]

the border between ukraine and people's republic of novorossiya, helgo

obviously

[Sergarr]

Don't take this the wrong way, but that's a very, um, Russian reaction to such information.

Very Western, too, given that Right Sector has been doing so for the majority of the last year, with very little fuss.

- Ukraine doesn't exactly count as Western

I was speaking about the reaction. You labeled my reaction to Polish paramilitaries as very Russian, when the West has had the same reaction to Ukrainian paramilitaries, too. Double think much?

[Loud Whispers]

Unless he did wipe out one of the tribes he's not genocidal, he's just a ruthless killer of his enemies. Necklacing his enemies, ordering the shellhouse massacre or what name you, these do not surmount to genocide - I'm splitting straws but they have to be split. A genocide is apart from regular crimes in that the destruction it causes is existential.

So would you say that Srebrenica massacre wasn't a genocidal act, seeing how Bosnian Muslims still exist?

Hmm? I didn't suggest that at all, a genocidal act need not be successful to be so. Mandela's spat of torturing and massacring was done for their political affiliations, there wasn't an attempt to existentially destroy a peoples (Boer bants aside)