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[Ukrainian Ranger]

As for help from Europe.... All I ask for - Real Sanctions, just to show that international law is a real thing

How about weapons? Or even direct assistance with our air force - if Russia claims not to be involved, they can't shoot them down from within Russian territory, making air superiority much easier to achieve...

Hmmm...... *imagining a fantasy scenario of hundred of NATO aircrafts arriving in Easterm Ukraine, bombing Russian columns and then European politicians saying something like "what NATO aircrafts? Those were Ukrainian"*
That would be rather nice, yep

[XXSockXX]

Wasn't the same happening in 2008, during the war with Georgia?

No, not like this. As I said before, opinion about Georgia was a lot more divided.

I still think the annexation of Crimea is the beginning of a new phase in East-West relations, any progress since the 80s that is not lost already, is completely at risk.

[burningpet]

Or just simply accept that russia is probably too strong to do anything meaningful against it. it didn't take long for Obama to forget about georgia and lift the sanctions last time and it probably wouldn't take long for the next in line to do so again after russia gets what it wants from ukraine and without a meaningful aid, russia will get what it wants.

The west can't hinder russia without taking sacrifices and the current western leadership is simply not strong enough to do so.

And if anyone thinks that being in NATO is sufficient for protection, well, that is still remain to be seen. i am skeptic about it.

[XXSockXX]

Hmmm...... *imagining a fantasy scenario of hundred of NATO aircrafts arriving in Easterm Ukraine, bombing Russian columns and then European politicians saying something like "what NATO aircrafts? Those were Ukrainian"*
That would be rather nice, yep

"I don't know what happened, my Ukrainian neighbour needed to mow his lawn, so I loaned him my aircraft carrier and 4 battalions of Leopard 2s..."

And if anyone thinks that being in NATO is sufficient for protection, well, that is still remain to be seen. i am skeptic about it.

That is the reason behind the recent NATO plans to station more troops in the East. If it was proven that NATO can't defend it's members, the West has basically collapsed.

[GrizzlyAdamz]

*has lost.

Romney's seemingly paranoiac 2012 utterance that "Russia is America's greatest geopolitical foe", which he received much criticism for, well. Maybe we should start ramping the distrust back up. Start stationing troops around Russia's borders. Stop cooperating. Bring our nuclear programs back up to speed. Try to hem you defensively-expansionist buggers in.
Does that prospect make you happy?

Oh how naive we were to think you guys weren't our enemies.

[Sergarr]

I won't be happy until I see some real action from you guys.

If it'll again be empty words then... I mean, I can't make a revolution in a country whose army is constantly winning! It's the basics!

[XXSockXX]

I won't be happy until I see some real action from you guys.

Besides the joking, I wonder if you really want to go back to before 1989, when both sides were starinng at each other, waiting for a move. You're probably too young to remember that, wasn't that fun.

[Helgoland]

I mean, I can't make a revolution in a country whose army is constantly winning! It's the basics!

Dude, I really don't know what to think of you - could you post your views on Russian domestic policy? That would help a big deal.

Maybe we should start ramping the distrust back up. Start stationing troops around Russia's borders. Stop cooperating. Bring our nuclear programs back up to speed. Try to hem you defensively-expansionist buggers in.

Yes, in principle, but it doesn't have to be so crude. Why don't we try to make Ukraine a second Afghanistan for the Russians? Soldiers go in, corpses come out, and slowly the Russian people start to realize that expansionism is not a winning strategy anymore.

We just have to supply weapons and intelligence. The Ukrainians will then be more than capable of handling the rest.

[burningpet]

I am not familiar with the culture in Ukraine, but if its similar to the western european culture, then, from my perspective (i could be very wrong), its not one that could sustain the number of casualties such a war would require.

After all, for each american corpse in afghanistan, there are around 10 locals corpses.

[scriver]

I won't be happy until I see some real action from you guys.

If it'll again be empty words then... I mean, I can't make a revolution in a country whose army is constantly winning! It's the basics!

You do realise you aren't talking to any representatives for any western/Nato/EU countries, right? Nor any personifications of those countries?

[Darvi]

I won't be happy until I see some real action from you guys.

If it'll again be empty words then... I mean, I can't make a revolution in a country whose army is constantly winning! It's the basics!

You do realise you aren't talking to any representatives for any western/Nato/EU countries, right? Nor any personifications of those countries?

Wait, this isn't the Hetalia Roleplay thread?

[Ukrainian Ranger]

I am not familiar with the culture in Ukraine, but if its similar to the western european culture, then, from my perspective (i could be very wrong), its not one that could sustain the number of casualties such a war would require.

After all, for each american corpse in afghanistan, there are around 10 locals corpses.

Ukrainians waged guerrilla warfare against Stalin's USSR for seven years. We will see if that spirit is alive. I think it is

[Sergarr]

My views on domestic policy is:

Putin is 61. I am 20. He'll die sooner than me. So I should see that I could live in Russia after Putin dies.

Current Russian government is mostly a parasitic bunch of people, who are not really concerned with the interests of Russia and Russian people. So I must be preparing myself and the society around me for the eventual revolution against this government and installation of a more close-to-people system.

I believe that means of production, economy, is what determines the most likely stable political system. Currently the means of production in Russia are mostly a bunch of stuff left from Soviet times. The current governmental ideas of "implementing" "innovations" are a corruption-fest. So I must design and constuct, with help of my future engineering skills and some general knowledge, new means of production, which must:
1) not rely on big capital investment to work (big capital attracts corruption like a honey attracts flies)
2) not rely on exotic materials which are hard to get, or require something to be made at a specific place (so that it can work everywhere independently)
3) not rely on anything related to oil or gold (these things attract semi-criminal oil companies, and those are Bad News)

4) must be able to refine materials with physical universal methods - so plasma microwave technology + magnitostriction
5) must be able to produce everything commonly needed (except food) - so 3D printing technology or something like that. Also desalination of water - very important.
6) must be able to be powered everywhere - so an improved solar technology + something based on water.

My father has already started to work on this area, but I fear that because of his major illness he will not be able to finish that work in time. So then I must be able to take the flag and make it so.

After designing and implementing that kind of system widely, the revolution will inevitably start.

I feel that it's the only way we can finally deal with the corruption: by taking away the ability of government, or corporations, to control people's lives. If I can do it, it'll be the end of capitalism as a system where one group, owning the means of production, rents it to the worker, and can control the worker's life.

[Sheb]

Hi all, I'm back. Glad to see the thread ain't locked.

[Loud Whispers]

Hi all, I'm back. Glad to see the thread ain't locked.

Hello again Sheb. Thread isn't locked but it isn't really doing anything useful in my opinion either.