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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #1905 on: October 22, 2013, 03:20:57 pm »

Silly metazoans, us bacteria don't have a gender system in the first place!
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #1906 on: October 22, 2013, 03:28:09 pm »

Didn't Scotland have many migratory waves? At least I'm pretty sure I probably have little genetic information in common with the North-Western Germans from 3000 years ago.

We have had many, many migratory waves, but I do have a rough idea of who my ancestors were. My father took a DNA test as part of a Scotland-wide research project with the intention of understanding the genetic makeup of modern Scots. The test would identify the various genetic markers that people carry that tie their paternal/maternal ancestors to a particular place in time, and through that method we can learn that people may have markers that identify their paternal (father's father's father etc) ancestors as ancient Scots, Picts, Berbers, Vikings, Anglo-Saxons and so forth. The markers that have been passed down to me indicate that our ancestors belonged to the original Celtic inhabitants of the Isles who primarily came over about 7000 years ago, displacing the original hunter gatherers.

Exactly which Celtic nation my ancestors belonged to however is very uncertain. Our marker has not been identified yet in the study, but I know that we are not Ancient Irish, we are not Pictish, we are not Vikings. We may either be Strathclyde Britons, Britons/Celts from elsewhere in the UK or another grouping altogether. I don't know how our genetic history compares with the ancient Scots (the original Scots), I don't think our marker was identified as Scottish though. They told us that if we belong to an unidentified marker "we are probably Pictish", that has been disproven. If I remember correctly we have the most in common with Scottish people as a whole and Northern Irish as a whole. That is to be expected of course, but that may mean my ancestors were a part of the various Celtic kingdoms in the North of Ireland and West Coast of Scotland. Who knows.

My theory is that we are Britons of some description from the mainland given that our biological paternal ancestors took a Scots/English surname based on a profession, as so many Britons and Welsh people did when they were forced to take on a surname to facilitate taxation. As far as we know, our paternal ancestors lived in Strathclyde and the surrounding region. We are Celts of some kind, that has been confirmed, but it's probably been a very long time since we were native Celtic language speakers. I know the very idea of "Celtic peoples" is quite sketchy in that the Celts exist as a linguistic group, not necessarily a genetic group, but my genetic markers are part of the same group as Picts, Scots, Irish and Britons. The same group that entered these islands 7000 years ago. It's perhaps notable that I am part of a relatively unbroken chain of fathers and sons who have lived in the British Isles for 7 millennia.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #1907 on: October 22, 2013, 03:47:15 pm »

Genetic thingy might be kinda' interesting, sure. It'd be neat to see if there's more than three continents worth of blood in the family, heh. We're fairly certain there's at least that many~

... not much more than kinda', though. I find it hard to really care about ancestry when th'family's such bloody mutts.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #1908 on: October 22, 2013, 03:48:59 pm »

...I now want to know where my ancestors come from.

All I know is that I have some Irish, some English, some Scottish and some Welsh ancestors. Majority being Scottish/English.

What is your father's surname and heritage? I am not being intentionally paternalistic, it's just the way the whole "markers" thing works unfortunately. Men pass their markers onto their sons, women pass their markers onto their daughters and sons, but their sons cannot pass on their mother's markers. Women only have their mother's markers.

I don't know what my mother's markers are yet, but I know my grandmother's were identified as "Yenisei" i.e. her maternal ancestors can be traced back to a group of people similar to the modern-day Kets who live in North-East Asia around the Yenisei River. Women tend to have interesting markers because they tended to move around more through slavery, royal/clan marriages and so on. That means however that you will probably struggle to make a guess about a woman's genetic heritage as far as markers are concerned, it's got nothing to do with surname, appearance etc. My grandmother's surname was English, her mother's was Irish/Scottish and who knows who her mother's mother's mother was.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #1909 on: October 22, 2013, 04:17:40 pm »

Isle of Barra -> Nova Scotia -> Hamilton Ontario -> Toronto

That's basically as far back as I got. Before Barra is a little sketchy, probably Ulster in Ireland though.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #1910 on: October 22, 2013, 04:19:18 pm »

Isle of Barra -> Nova Scotia -> Hamilton Ontario -> Toronto

That's basically as far back as I got. Before Barra is a little sketchy, probably Ulster in Ireland though.

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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #1911 on: October 22, 2013, 04:26:31 pm »

Eh, probably not. Clans grew as much by adoption as they did by screwing.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #1912 on: October 22, 2013, 04:29:17 pm »

Eh, probably not. Clans grew as much by adoption as they did by screwing.

That is very true.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #1913 on: October 23, 2013, 12:27:53 pm »

The EU might be going to temporary cancel the Swift agreements with the US, which basically guarantee the exchange of bank information for counter terrorism purposes.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #1914 on: October 23, 2013, 12:32:10 pm »

This seems to be becoming very relevant.

So in Belgium & the Netherlands there's basically a second christmas with an old bearded saint. He has black helpers. People say they're black because they crawl trough chimneys but other people want to forbid them because it's racist.

Explained in a rambly way, but anyone got opinions on this?
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« Reply #1915 on: October 23, 2013, 12:39:08 pm »

This seems to be becoming very relevant.

So in Belgium & the Netherlands there's basically a second christmas with an old bearded saint. He has black helpers. People say they're black because they crawl trough chimneys but other people want to forbid them because it's racist.

Explained in a rambly way, but anyone got opinions on this?

PC going mad?
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #1916 on: October 23, 2013, 12:42:44 pm »

Having seen Black Pete before, I'm leaning towards racist.

But being a filthy American, what do I know, right?
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #1917 on: October 23, 2013, 01:01:14 pm »

Having seen Black Pete before, I'm leaning towards racist.

But being a filthy American, what do I know, right?
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #1918 on: October 23, 2013, 01:01:45 pm »

In Luxembourg, he's black in all but skin colour. *morePCthanyou*
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #1919 on: October 23, 2013, 01:03:01 pm »

It's a tradition dating from a time in which racism like that was acceptable. Of course it's going to bear signs of that time. Changing it might be good, but I don't think a governmental, or UN resolution is the way to do it.

Edit: But anyway, I doubt anything is going to happen. The Dutch government has said they won't intervene, The Belgian government has yet to make a statement, but probably won't do anything do. Especially because the tradition here isn't as lively as there.
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