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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #8655 on: August 03, 2014, 09:00:01 pm »

Untranslatable for the purpose at hand. Depending on context you may be able to find a working translation of Schadenfreude to English, but it won't always work - and that's the case here.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #8656 on: August 03, 2014, 09:27:57 pm »

And in the next episode, Scrib explains how Schadenfreude translates to damage-joy.

It can also translate as pain-happiness, which is a bit closer to the connotation.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #8657 on: August 03, 2014, 09:33:49 pm »

Nah, the German word for pain is Schmerz.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #8658 on: August 03, 2014, 09:45:12 pm »

... smores? I guess dental pain...
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #8659 on: August 03, 2014, 09:46:41 pm »

No, Smarch.
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« Reply #8660 on: August 04, 2014, 01:29:38 am »

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« Reply #8661 on: August 04, 2014, 05:41:02 am »

WOW. RT.com presented an alternative opinion? With a pun but.... I am speechless :D
Russian journalism improves

Now they should learn to not call few dozens of people mass protests. Not call few shells falling somewhere a leveling of cities And not use a video of Ukrainian paratroopers having fun as a proof of starvation of Ukrainian army.

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« Reply #8662 on: August 04, 2014, 05:50:28 am »

I wish Russia would stop invading people and act more like America in the 21st century. Lol.

How about we say it's ok for Russia to use attack drones, but no boots on the ground? That sounds fair.

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« Reply #8663 on: August 04, 2014, 05:53:19 am »

I wish Russia would stop invading people and act more like America in the 21st century. Lol.

How about we say it's ok for Russia to use attack drones, but no boots on the ground? That sounds fair.

America doesn't invade its neighbours anymore, only countries far away that are related to the oil industry.
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« Reply #8664 on: August 04, 2014, 05:56:56 am »

I wish Russia would stop invading people and act more like America in the 21st century. Lol.

How about we say it's ok for Russia to use attack drones, but no boots on the ground? That sounds fair.

America doesn't invade its neighbours anymore, only countries far away that are related to the oil industry.

it doesn't need to invade

mexico is thoroughly fucked by the war on drugs which the us propagates

south america is kept in check by cia-funded activities (guerrillas come to mind)

canada is, well, canada

island nations are a non-issue

so where were you going with that again?
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« Reply #8665 on: August 04, 2014, 06:06:53 am »

south america is kept in check by cia-funded activities (guerrillas come to mind)
Actually the USA has pretty much lost it's grip on South America now, politically. 21st Century South America is 180 degrees from even 1990's South America, in terms of toeing the pro-US Party-Line. It's been a fairly rapid domino effect starting in 1998 with Venezuela.

Every single South American mainland nation has had a Democractic Socialist or center-left president since Chavez,  except Colombia, (which was cited by GW Bush as the poster boy for "Democracy" in South America). Leftist sympathizers in Colombia have very short life-expectancies.

Previously, South America was split into two rival mercantile unions, Mercosur centred on Brazil, and CAN, centred on the Andean states, both with backing from America. How's that for Machiavellian divide and rule? But due in part to the advocacy of Chavez and Da Silva (ex president of Brazil) they've now merge those into one bloc, and even have South American Parliament modeled closely on the European Union. Apparently this isn't newsworthy and the few mentions of this development in the US press tend to be "look at the monkeys thinking they're civilized. it'll never work you dumb bickering brown people" stuff with some racist undertones.

These are two of the regional bodies formed in recent years to integrate Latin America into a single political and economic bloc, modeled on the EU:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_of_South_American_Nations

"Unasur" has the 12 sovereign nations of South America, a single parliament and encompasses ~5 trillion dollars worth of GDP. This is a SERIOUS up and coming power bloc. By merging the two previous warring trade blocs which were both back by the USA they've settled their rivalries and realized they don't have to be puppets of the USA. This also involves a 12-nation military alliance, and they're talking about a single currency.

And, if you go by pro-Us papers like the New York Times, apparently this isn't newsworthy in the least. UNASUR is mentioned in 8 stories on nytimes, the first one dating in 2012, 4 years after it was formed. It was quite clearly a deliberate media blackout on the topic. None of the stories is actually about UNASUR or explains what it is, it's just "this club a bunch of countries belong to". So after 4 years of avoiding the topic, they suddenly decide, "ok you can mention it now, but please don't explain what it is about". So much for New York Times being progressive and keeping people informed!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_of_Latin_American_and_Caribbean_States

"Celac" is a more recent creation, it contains all the Unasur nations, plus an extended trade bloc, all the way up to Mexico. Only two countries in the hemisphere were not invited to join: USA and Canada. Fancy That. This is an extended trade bloc, with about 7 trillion in GDP, making it about half the size of USA, China or the EU. Also not newsworthy if you go by American papers.  ::) There is exactly 1 mention of this in a nytimes article, also dating from 4 years after it was formed, and the entire article is just questioning whether Latin American people have their shit together, and whitewashing US involvement in coups and human rights abuses (they admit to US-backed coups, but it was in the name of stopping those damn commies).

So, Latin and South America are waking up that the USA is only feeding off them, and that their longterm best interest is regional self-determination and economic integration / solidarity. The USAs only effective response so far seems to be to pretend it's not happening and a media blackout.
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« Reply #8666 on: August 04, 2014, 07:23:26 am »

Just I little thing I just read about today (sorry about the links being in Polish, but I doubt that the story is news-worthy outside of here - I will try to offer extended description on what's going on).

You know how sometimes people go on and invite somebody to give a lecture on the university? Not just for the students, but an open thing, where everybody can come and listen what a supposed authority has to say? So, we have those in Poland every now and then. And some of those are notable for various reasons. For example, University of Wroclaw invited major Bauman in June, 2013. The topic is not very relevant - something about sociology, generally not controversial. But the major Bauman himself is a little hugely controversial figure. Why? Well, let's start with the fact that became major while serving in communist political police (Internal Security Corps, Korpus Bezpieczeństwa Wewnętrznego, which was Polish version of NKVD), and personally led operations against Polish partisans fighting against Soviets from 1944 onward. He is personally responsible for at least ordering many people killed for fighting for independence - which might explain the controversy.
So, some people, which are admittedly a little right-wing-y (nationalist, at that), tried to stop this lecture. There were about 20 people shouting anti-communist slogans for a few minutes. Why only for a few minutes? Because anti-terrorist unit (basically, Polish version of SWAT units, as the term we use for them might be a bit misleading) came from outside (as it turned out later, they were waiting next door) and arrested most of them, and threw rest away.
About a year later*, 12 people were sentenced to fines (non-trivial ones, I might add) and 7 were given jail time**. I'm speaking of protester here, to make things clear.

Who is major Bauman - http://wpolityce.pl/polityka/160560-kim-naprawde-jest-zygmunt-bauman-przeczytaj-tajny-dokument-bezpieki-i-tlumaczenia-socjologa-dla-brytyjskiej-prasy
About the sentence - http://wpolityce.pl/spoleczenstwo/196314-szokujacy-wyrok-wroclawskiego-sadu-w-sprawie-o-zaklocenie-wykladu-mjr-baumana-czy-my-na-pewno-zyjemy-w-wolnej-polsce-czy-moze-mamy-1953-rok

Some time later, in December 2013, on the Economical University of Poznan, another lecture was scheduled. This time, it was gender-related lecture led by a priest, professor Bortkiewicz. This time the exact topic is much more important, even if somewhat easier to predict: "Gender - devastation of human and family". This doesn't require any more explanation, unlike major Bauman. As expected, this caught attention of some more left-winged people.
About 20 of them tried to stop the lecture from happening, by the virtue of running around and screaming anti-anti-gender slogans for almost half an hour. Police arrived after being called, although normal, old-school police without sub machine guns, stopped some of the perpetrators and allowed the lecture to go on.

Do we see the analogies so far?

Today I have read that all of them were acquitted, because 'district attorney' (I'm not sure if that's the right analogy; basically, the prosecutor for the state) found 'no signs of the crime'.

Article - http://wpolityce.pl/polityka/207827-oto-iii-rp-anarchisci-uniewinnieni-za-przerwanie-wykladu-ks-bortkiewicza-a-za-baumana-bylo-wiezienie

How's that for double standards?
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #8667 on: August 04, 2014, 07:35:34 am »

What a nice example of EU "liberalism"....



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« Reply #8668 on: August 04, 2014, 07:52:36 am »

I think that might come down to the way many places in europe treat protestors who have a vaguely 'anti semetic agenda'
or in other words, if you criticise someone who's jewish you've committed a hate crime, what kind of langage did they use in the protests? I'm going to assume there might have some neonazi stuff in there going by the sentence.
But I kinda like Major Bauman, sure he helped the communists and Soviet fight nationalist independence movements in Poland, Ukraine etc, but he vocally opposes the actions of israel...
Which actually makes no sense because those opposed to Israel are basically the kind of people he fought against in the 50's, nationalists who want freedom from oppressive neighboring imperialists.
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This link might be relevant ; http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/110471/leeds-professor-rejects-polish-award-over-antisemitic-slurs
"According to reports these comments included,“I cannot stand the Jewish Bolshevik”, “Death to the Zionist plague of mankind”, and “Down with Judeo-Communism” . "
Pretty obviously goes against the thought crime/hate laws of the EU
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« Reply #8669 on: August 04, 2014, 08:01:15 am »

I think that might come down to the way many places in europe treat protestors who have a vaguely 'anti semetic agenda'
or in other words, if you criticise someone who's jewish you've committed a hate crime, what kind of langage did they use in the protests? I'm going to assume there might have some neonazi stuff in there going by the sentence.

Well, it is somewhat hard to translate sometimes, but three most notable phrases were: "disgrace", as in doing something disgraceful, "Dutkiewicz*, who are you inviting" and (this one is really hard, as it rhymes in Polish, and I won't try to replicate that) "hit the red riff-raff with sickle and hammer". Hardly anything that one could consider even close to anti-semitic.

*Dutkiewicz is mayor of Wroclaw, who actually had a hand in inviting major Bauman to that lecture.
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