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[Zanzetkuken The Great]

Might be a little too close to Youtube.

There other tubes besides Youtube or so I've heard.

That was the first one I thought of on the spur of the moment.

[Catastrophic lolcats]

I'm finding it really hard to understand the console market these days.
In theory the wealth of console are meant to be in the cheaper prices and being much easier to operate than PCs. Now you have all this nonsense with online accounts, on-disc DLC, season passes, anti-reselling mechanisms, multiplayer passes, red rings of death, walled garden markets and possible "always online"/hardware scanning DRM in the next generation.

I just don't see why someone would go with consoles now that they've seemed to have lost all their core value. A PC is so ridiculously easy/cheap to build these days and thanks to online distribution sites like Steam, Gamer's Gate, GoG and co. it's never been easier/cheaper to download and install games. A PC still suffers from the same problems previously mentioned but if they both have the same problems why go with the inferior closed market and hardware (excluding the notion of console exclusives)?

This isn't some glorious PC master race rally speech. Just a consumer observation.     

[Alkhemia]

I'm finding it really hard to understand the console market these days.
In theory the wealth of console are meant to be in the cheaper prices and being much easier to operate than PCs. Now you have all this nonsense with online accounts, on-disc DLC, season passes, anti-reselling mechanisms, multiplayer passes, red rings of death, walled garden markets and possible "always online"/hardware scanning DRM in the next generation.

I just don't see why someone would go with consoles now that they've seemed to have lost all their core value. A PC is so ridiculously easy/cheap to build these days and thanks to online distribution sites like Steam, Gamer's Gate, GoG and co. it's never been easier/cheaper to download and install games. A PC still suffers from the same problems previously mentioned but if they both have the same problems why go with the inferior closed market and hardware (excluding the notion of console exclusives)?

This isn't some glorious PC master race rally speech. Just a consumer observation.   

Well if I could  play Blazblue or Disgaea on my PC I'd never buy a one but unfortunately it does not work that way.

[Catastrophic lolcats]

excluding the notion of console exclusives

[Alkhemia]

excluding the notion of console exclusives

oh....well

[Ozyton]

People don't know better... ?

[Frumple]

Well if I could  play Blazblue or Disgaea on my PC I'd never buy a one but unfortunately it does not work that way.

You can play Disgaea on your PC, though. Some of 'em, anyway. If your PC can handle a DS (likely) or PS2 (less likely, but still possible) emulator. Only legal way (for now, anyway) of doing so involves owning the console in question and then technical shenanigans far beyond my personal capability (mostly relating to bios extraction or whatever), but it's possible.

Not so sure about blazblue, but, well. Matter of time and all that.

And now I'm wondering why the console folks don't just make a PC compatible OS. Have a disc or small hard drive whatever that lets a full blown desktop dual-boot the console OS, provide USB controllers, go the whole nine yards. I can't help but wonder what the profit margin increase of doing that would be, assuming any occurred once you factor out the console itself (and you could counter that partially by selling the OS disc or whatev' for a fair penny, not that I can see the consoles making up much of the profit anyway, given how freakishly expensive console games are... ). And more importantly, which of the big boys are going to realize the (what seems to me, to be) obvious first and do just that.

If any of them do any time soon, anyway. The vaguely neurotic controlling tendencies (to the world view of someone that's been thoroughly inundated by the internet's general ethos, anyway) of those guys might not be willing to let go of their proprietary silliness in a reasonable time frame...

... which then makes you wonder when the outside party's going to come in, because given the situation it seems like things might be (or soon be) ripe for one.

[SalmonGod]

I'm finding it really hard to understand the console market these days.
In theory the wealth of console are meant to be in the cheaper prices and being much easier to operate than PCs. Now you have all this nonsense with online accounts, on-disc DLC, season passes, anti-reselling mechanisms, multiplayer passes, red rings of death, walled garden markets and possible "always online"/hardware scanning DRM in the next generation.

I just don't see why someone would go with consoles now that they've seemed to have lost all their core value. A PC is so ridiculously easy/cheap to build these days and thanks to online distribution sites like Steam, Gamer's Gate, GoG and co. it's never been easier/cheaper to download and install games. A PC still suffers from the same problems previously mentioned but if they both have the same problems why go with the inferior closed market and hardware (excluding the notion of console exclusives)?

This isn't some glorious PC master race rally speech. Just a consumer observation.   

This is what I've been trying to say for years.  I used to love consoles, but Sony and Microsoft have been steadily dismantling all the advantages the format once had.  It's not an elitist claim.  It's an objective observation.  It's mostly 25-35 year old gamers who get accused of being pc gaming master race snobs, but those same people grew up playing sega and nintendo consoles.  We weren't always pc exclusive gamers.  We migrated for reasons.

[Drapestar]

can i point out the patent application only mentions video games once and goes more in detail about blue ray movies.

just saying dont doom say until something actually happens because right now they have not said anything about what they are actually going to apply it to.

[Garden Gnome]

So, what happens if I don't realise a game exists until it's out of print, and can only be purchased, practically, used?

[Neonivek]

I'm okay with this.  No second hand sales equals more first hand sales which probably equals more games getting made to a higher quality.  THQ might be in a lot less trouble if this had been done a few years ago.

I don't see the problem here other than it being a dick move against the resale companies. I buy digital copies of games all the time. Can't resell those, can't buy them used. Even if it's not for good reasons, it's not a step in the wrong direction.

It means that if I have a PS4 and my friend has a PS4 I cannot play a game I own at his house.

That is actually the #1 issue I have. It is more then just hurting resale... it is hurting just basic "Having and enjoying a game".

Did your PS4 break down or was stollen? well I hope you enjoy customer service to get all your games reregistered to your new PS4. I hope you kept the CD-keys.

Utter bullshit.  The link in the OP clearly states that games would be locked to user accounts rather than a specific console.  This is the why games bought via PSN work right now.  You can easily just sign into your own account at a friend's house.

Sorry in this case I am correct. Incase you forget they limit the number of PS4s you can do that on.

So NO all that does to my statement is that you can have ONE FRIEND'S PS4 you can play it on.

[lordcooper]

Incase you forget they limit the number of PS4s you can do that on.

Where exactly does it say that?

[Neonivek]

Incase you forget they limit the number of PS4s you can do that on.

Where exactly does it say that?

The PS3 does this already, except in their case it is for downloadable content.

EA has also done this for PC.

Which come to think of it, the trouble with doing tournaments is going to get tougher.

[Moghjubar]

Well, what a shame.  Ah well, expect it to be cracked just like everything else.

In any case, consoles have more or less lost all business from me.  I am at the point where I rarely even want to play any of the games on them(let alone buy anymore: I only buy one as a guilty pleasure every other year, and rent perhaps 1 every year otherwise now).  There is an amazing amount of content to be had on PC that just plain makes it a better investment... either free stuff or deeply discounted things you just can't get on consoles.

Perhaps some of these 'new' consoles will change things... but they will have to go nutso to do it.

[SalmonGod]

It will be interesting to see what happens with the Ouya.