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[Sharp]

I think skill rust was initially intended to basically make players have to choose a certain style of how to play instead of becoming amazing at everything.

Also iirc in Whales original, skill rust rate would cap at lvl 7 at having a 1/4 chance of reducing every 128 turns so it wasn't something like your lvl 20 in some skill and then you snooze for an hour and are lvl 10.

It's an interesting idea but the method to avoid skill rust seemed a bit too much like grinding, but I can certainly see the understanding of having skill rust otherwise going jack-of-all trades-master-of-all is easy to accomplish. Anyway plenty of options in DDA for skill rust so can tailor difficulty for however you feel.

[BigD145]

If you're going to cap it, then cap it. Even with Whales there was stuff you could only do with skill levels higher than the cap, which is silly.

[DoomOnion]

Yeah, and Azmodean just said that they are thinking of taking away those options. Way to go!

P.S. Considering how this thread gets locked by the devs whenever we start talking about things that don't quite match what the devs think, I sense another lockdown.

[Fniff]

Well, generally the thread gets locked when we discuss at length with that bandodger who shall not be named lest the mere appearance of his username show up on his constant google searches of himself.

[DoomOnion]

Not really. The thread got locked the other day when Girlinhat and a couple of others were RAGING about underbushes destroying everything. Glyph even commented 'thread unlocked' as he unlocked the thread.

[miauw62]

DoomOnion: the thread gets locked when people start being passive-aggresive or completely aggresive.

[i2amroy]

Yeah, and Azmodean just said that they are thinking of taking away those options. Way to go!

P.S. Considering how this thread gets locked by the devs whenever we start talking about things that don't quite match what the devs think, I sense another lockdown.

1) The reason skill rust is broken right now is because the amount of rust is way too high at the higher levels. If it's lower (and can be lowered further by INT scores), then it becomes a mechanic and adds more variety to the game, allowing things like forgetful to have an effect (and maybe another called "Good memory" or something similar that lowers rust rates). Also it gives purpose to some higher end things like the artificial memory CBM, and maybe we could even add a "perfect memory" mutation or something similar that would also allow you to circumvent or greatly slow rust levels.
2) The thread is not locked because things are posted that the devs disagree with. The thread is locked when lazycat (who has been banned dozens of times so far) shows up in alt form and starts posting here in order to limit the amount of posts that Toady needs to delete (and therefore the amount of time the board is 504'd).

[Fniff]

He did just mention the thread was locked due to an argument, but then again it might have been just to calm everyone down. As I remember, it wasn't going anywhere at all.

[Graknorke]

Will there ever be a way to permanently raise your base stats? I find it hard to believe that someone who was weak before would stay weak even after doing all of the physical labour that surviving the apocalypse entails.

[Darkmere]

Will there ever be a way to permanently raise your base stats? I find it hard to believe that someone who was weak before would stay weak even after doing all of the physical labour that surviving the apocalypse entails.

Some mutations do this already. That's the only method I'm aware of.

[Graknorke]

Will there ever be a way to permanently raise your base stats? I find it hard to believe that someone who was weak before would stay weak even after doing all of the physical labour that surviving the apocalypse entails.

Some mutations do this already. That's the only method I'm aware of.

I meant through just general training. You can be a master at electronics and tailoring but still be as dexterous as a dead slug. Especially with the proposed skill rust system implying that you only gain skill for practical work, you can't even argue it away as being because they only know the theory better.

[DoomOnion]

I once messed up a CBM installation and got the mutation 'Strong', which increased my strength by 1.

[Graknorke]

I once messed up a CBM installation and got the mutation 'Strong', which increased my strength by 1.

That's still an accidental thing though, rather than generally growing stronger/better at stuff due to experience.
We already have exercise machines sitting useless in hotel cellars. Training up stats, or at least strength, doesn't really have a design reason for not existing.

[GlyphGryph]

I'm not really active on the forums anymore, but I do still get occasional updates on what is happening in this thread thanks to notifications, and...

P.S. Considering how this thread gets locked by the devs whenever we start talking about things that don't quite match what the devs think, I sense another lockdown.
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Not really. The thread got locked the other day when Girlinhat and a couple of others were RAGING about underbushes destroying everything. Glyph even commented 'thread unlocked' as he unlocked the thread.

What the heck are you talking about. Toady himself has locked it several times while he removes the bandodge posts, and has occasionally forgotten to unlock it, in which case I'll remind him or unlock it myself if possible which it sometimes is, and then post a "thread unlocked" message to bump it back up to the top once the lock has been resolved, but I have never locked the thread over questioning the devs. I haven't even posted on the forum in weeks, so I'm not sure where you are getting this stuff happening "the other day" either.

Seriously. WTF.

And now I'm off and back into the shadows...

[i2amroy]

Will there ever be a way to permanently raise your base stats? I find it hard to believe that someone who was weak before would stay weak even after doing all of the physical labour that surviving the apocalypse entails.

Some mutations do this already. That's the only method I'm aware of.

I meant through just general training. You can be a master at electronics and tailoring but still be as dexterous as a dead slug. Especially with the proposed skill rust system implying that you only gain skill for practical work, you can't even argue it away as being because they only know the theory better.

I've taken a few looks at attempting some sort of stat gain system and I've come to the conclusion that it would be fairly difficult to balance, but possible. Here were the basic goals I defined for said system:

• The goal should be to have stat gain come about as a side effect of being a successful survivor. The new playstyle should not become "and then grind stats for the first 3 days to save on embark points" at the start of every game. This will probably be done by making the amount practiced very small, so that it's infeasible to grind them but you occasionally will get a nice stat upgrade as a more seasoned survivor.
• Stat growth should be linked to doing things, not to skill levels.
• There must be some sort of ultimate limit. (Potentially based on your base stat?, I'm thinking like ~1.5x your base right now.)
• Stats should degrade over time if not used. This should be significantly slower then practice rates, meaning you won't get any degradations unless you spend a long time not doing things related to a specific task.
• Stats should never degrade below your "base" stat.
• Mutations will raise your "base" stat, but CBM's won't.

I once messed up a CBM installation and got the mutation 'Strong', which increased my strength by 1.

This really shouldn't be happening IMO, installing CBM's shouldn't give mutations but nobody has gotten around to changing it yet.