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Author Topic: Deathbattle! Superman vs Goku  (Read 14705 times)

LordBucket

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Re: Deathbattle! Superman vs Goku
« Reply #75 on: January 16, 2013, 11:51:15 am »

Your theory still doesn't explain him throwing heavy objects. They should be dropping
straight down upon exiting the field rather than maintaining their speed.

Already addressed.

1)

Yes, it's a mass reduction. Just not 100% reduction.

An object that weighs 10 tons instead of 10,000 tons would still be throwable.

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he's strong enough to throw things like cars and buses and tanks

This is standard superhero fare. I'm not claiming that he's no stronger than an unpowered human, and I've already said so. He's simply doing something different when he does superhuge lifts. You'll notice that when he lifted the frozen lake it looked effortless, but he's clearly struggling when he's held in a fight by someone or someththing that obviously should require less effort.

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Show me a video of him throwing a superheavy object. You'll notice that when he lifts planes, frozen lakes, planets, etc. he doesn't throw them. He just moves them around.

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« Reply #76 on: January 16, 2013, 12:46:36 pm »

Nope. When the object leaves the inertialess field, it's mass returns. You have the same kinetic energy suddenly working on a much larger mass, which results in dropping straight down.

Oh, and didn't he throw something out of the Solar system in one of the movies? My memory is a bit fuzzy.
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« Reply #77 on: January 16, 2013, 01:11:50 pm »

If you are already accepting some strange telepathic thing I don't know why you would not accept that the kinetic energy does not change instead of the velocity.

Of course, it all sounds like bullshit no matter how you cut it, but man, it's super man.
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Re: Deathbattle! Superman vs Goku
« Reply #78 on: January 16, 2013, 01:15:09 pm »

Nope. When the object leaves the inertialess field, it's mass returns. You have the same kinetic
energy suddenly working on a much larger mass, which results in dropping straight down.

Are you even reading my posts?

Yes. Your physics is correct for the specific case you're describing. It's also completely irrelevant, and you would understand that if you paid more attention.



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Re: Deathbattle! Superman vs Goku
« Reply #79 on: January 16, 2013, 01:23:33 pm »

Well, if velocity doesn't change and energy is produced out of thin air, he can indeed apply his telekinesis to a punch. He just needs brass knuckles made out of some superdense material, which shouldn't be hard to get in the Superman universe. Then he reduces it's mass while he's swinging it, and turns off the mass reduction just before the hit lands. A couple of millions of tons going at 2nd escape velocity should ruin just about anyone's day.
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Re: Deathbattle! Superman vs Goku
« Reply #80 on: January 16, 2013, 04:29:18 pm »

Actually I am surprised that no one has argued with Lord Bucket that since Superman can cancel inertia (or at least make it as tiny as possible) with super heavy objects that it means he ESSENTIALLY has super strength anyhow and can throw super deadly punches just by throwing ordinary punches. (Physics is weird that way.)

Add in his super speed and you have someone who can punch holes in steel anyway.

Since what you do as Superman is remove most inertia from what you are attacking and then allow it to return. Essentially destroying it because of the stored energy being released by the objects suddenly restored status. or just simply remove inertia from anything further then 1cm or 2cm off his fist causing anything he punches to explode!

Essentially this makes Superman able to super punch things with the strength of whatever he could lift normally.
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Re: Deathbattle! Superman vs Goku
« Reply #81 on: January 16, 2013, 05:12:57 pm »

Since what you do as Superman is remove most inertia from what you are attacking and then allow it to return. Essentially destroying it because of the stored energy being released by the objects suddenly restored status. or just simply remove inertia from anything further then 1cm or 2cm off his fist causing anything he punches to explode!

No, this is incorrect. That would be magically producing energy from nowhere, and that appears to be what DJ misunderstands me to be saying.

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Re: Deathbattle! Superman vs Goku
« Reply #82 on: January 16, 2013, 06:43:10 pm »

Since what you do as Superman is remove most inertia from what you are attacking and then allow it to return. Essentially destroying it because of the stored energy being released by the objects suddenly restored status. or just simply remove inertia from anything further then 1cm or 2cm off his fist causing anything he punches to explode!

No, this is incorrect. That would be magically producing energy from nowhere, and that appears to be what DJ misunderstands me to be saying.

If Superman's ability is to suspend a large portion of inertia then it means that Superman is producing that very energy himself. In otherwords Superman's power produces more energy then the inertia he is cancelling.

Thus that is where the energy is being produced. Hense why the punch physics works without error. The "Extra energy" isn't extra it is simply the energy from the cancel field being used offensively through the matter trapped inside being moved into a surface that lacks such intertia and then allowing it to continue or a multitude of other effects.

Hense how Superman, without super strength, could rend metal with his bare hands and give super punches. Since he essentially gets super attacks via his inertia cancelling effect.

As well this would ALSO mean that Superman's heat vision when under his inertia cancelling effect would also be super amplified as well.
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« Reply #83 on: January 17, 2013, 10:06:43 am »

Ah, anyway Superman was written by people who had the essence of The Plutonian in their brains at the time. And we all know how The Plutionian's powers work.
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Re: Deathbattle! Superman vs Goku
« Reply #84 on: January 17, 2013, 11:25:54 am »

How strong are his psychic blocks, and why is magic never exploited against him by key villains?
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« Reply #85 on: January 17, 2013, 05:32:27 pm »

How strong are his psychic blocks, and why is magic never exploited against him by key villains?

A) Essentially only supreme psychics, and sometimes not even then, who specialise in invading brains can attempt to get Superman... and sometimes not even then.

B) Magic is exploited against him from time to time, but it is important to remember that he does have resistance to it.

The best way of looking at it is say you have a Magic Dagger.

If it is enchanted to be a really strong, sturdy, and sharp dagger then Superman is rather invulnerable to it.

If it is enchanted to be able to cut anything, then it can cut into superman.
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Re: Deathbattle! Superman vs Goku
« Reply #86 on: January 17, 2013, 05:39:44 pm »

Goku would win. Definitely.
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Re: Deathbattle! Superman vs Goku
« Reply #87 on: January 17, 2013, 05:48:59 pm »

Goku would win. Definitely.

It can be argued that Superman could freeze or melt Goku.

Since oddly enough Goku's one weakness is hot and cold. It is weird since he can survive the equivilant of super nuclear explosions (or outrun the explosion itself) but he has little resistance for those.

It may surprise you but in the video when Superman was using his freeze breath on Goku... It actually should have froze him.
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Re: Deathbattle! Superman vs Goku
« Reply #88 on: January 17, 2013, 06:49:27 pm »

I am biased towards Goku because i think he is way cooler than Superman and Superman is really cheesy and stuff to me, i dont care about Superman much, though Goku can destroy shit with Genki dama and stuff.
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Re: Deathbattle! Superman vs Goku
« Reply #89 on: January 22, 2013, 06:27:41 pm »

Not really a compelling argument. By the logic of "because i think he's cooler." Batman would beat superman almost 100% of the time.
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