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Re: The Hobbit
« Reply #165 on: January 03, 2013, 01:14:13 am »

To be fair, it is less rude in the book, because they don't actually do anything that's going to damage his dishware. Of course, I can see why Jackson would have gone for the more visually impressive manner to go along with the song, and in the end the outcome is really the same.

It was in good humor, but on the other hand, it was still a bit rude.
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Re: The Hobbit
« Reply #166 on: January 03, 2013, 01:24:15 am »

There was also the whole taking his pantry for themselves without asking, and the belching and being raucous thing.
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« Reply #167 on: January 03, 2013, 01:30:26 am »

There was also the whole taking his pantry for themselves without asking, and the belching and being raucous thing.

I always interpreted that whole situation as being the result of misunderstanding intentionally fostered by Gandalf more so than dwarven rudeness.  Not that it didn't play a part.  They expected Bilbo to be prepared to host them, but he wasn't.  They expected Bilbo to be a seasoned adventurer, but he obviously wasn't.  I think the dwarves were just making fun of an awkward and disappointing situation, in their own dwarvenly way.
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Re: The Hobbit
« Reply #168 on: January 03, 2013, 02:01:00 am »

I saw the situation as a cultural clash. Dwarves are greedy in all things, not just gold, while Hobbits enjoy quiet country living. Putting the two together is certain to lead to problems.
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« Reply #169 on: January 03, 2013, 02:09:03 am »

Yeah, sort of.  I wouldn't say that Tolkien's dwarves are necessarily greedy to the point that they can't be considerate.  I think it would be understandable for anybody to act somewhat like the dwarves did there.

"So... Gandalf had us travel all the way out here... to take on this fucking deadweight?  Not only do we have to take back our home from a fucking dragon, but we have to babysit this guy in the process?  Gandalf hasn't even told him what he's signed up for!  Fuck this shit.  I'm getting drunk.  Throwing us a party is probably the most useful thing this plushy homebody is ever going to do for us.  We are so fucked."
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Re: The Hobbit
« Reply #170 on: January 04, 2013, 01:19:45 am »

Watched it today.

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Re: The Hobbit
« Reply #171 on: January 04, 2013, 02:24:02 am »

Yeah, sort of.  I wouldn't say that Tolkien's dwarves are necessarily greedy to the point that they can't be considerate.  I think it would be understandable for anybody to act somewhat like the dwarves did there.

IIRC dwarves were actually noted to be polite unless slighted, and then, well, you can go fuck yourself. I believe one of his big points for them was that they set a VERY high value on their honour and capabilities, and that is what is clashing with the rather more understanding and relaxed hobbit.
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Re: The Hobbit
« Reply #172 on: January 04, 2013, 02:47:08 am »

I loved The Hobbit as a book and in fact it is the only book set in the Middle-earth universe that I enjoy. I even had the The Hobbit PC game quite some years ago. However I don't think I am going to see the movie in theaters if it is still in there. I will wait until it either comes out on DVD or some channel gets the rights to air the movie. I can't stand movie theaters, as they are too crowded and not entirely defensible.
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« Reply #173 on: January 04, 2013, 03:22:45 am »

I can't stand movie theaters, as they are too crowded and not entirely defensible.
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« Reply #174 on: January 04, 2013, 03:25:13 am »

I can't stand movie theaters, as they are too crowded and not entirely defensible.

Please don't make light of my issues with anxiety and stress that increases the more I am around people in general. It's not nice.
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« Reply #175 on: January 04, 2013, 03:34:04 am »

It is also totally inaccurate. Social skills are a must-have in a zombie apocalypse, much to the dismay of many apocalypse hopefuls who realize that. You can't control a band of survivors without social skill.
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« Reply #176 on: January 04, 2013, 03:39:28 am »

It is also totally inaccurate. Social skills are a must-have in a zombie apocalypse, much to the dismay of many apocalypse hopefuls who realize that. You can't control a band of survivors without social skill.

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« Reply #177 on: January 04, 2013, 05:53:50 am »

Yeah, convincing people to go with you and help  you out is probably one of the best skills. You can either know how to hide from bike-riding bandits, or be their leaders.
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Re: The Hobbit
« Reply #178 on: January 04, 2013, 08:29:42 am »

Saw it tonight, mind blown.

By "Pacific Rim" trailer... was that GladOS's voice???
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Re: The Hobbit
« Reply #179 on: January 04, 2013, 08:38:00 am »

Saw it tonight, mind blown.

By "Pacific Rim" trailer... was that GladOS's voice???
Yes. Yes it was. In my headcanon, it is actually GLaDOS.
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