I just realized, we are at MYLO aren't we?
And just in time for my post to arrive!
{Timezones got me before super posted}
{MYLO EVERYONE!
The time of the day where the consensus would lead to either a no-lynch, or lynch the right person -> scum for the benefit of the town. If it is a mislynch and there is no doctor to save a player, scum wins. If it is a mislynch and there is a doctor
who protects successfully, town has a chance as the proceeding day turns into LYLO - lynch, or lose.
For the scum, remain vigilant. either aim for going after a 'mislynch' - meaning lynch on someone other than you, or head for a no lynch if you're playing it safe. No lynching here means nobody is up for the noose and the proceeding night's results would help clear the matters.
In a game with
hammers [game mode], votes are given carefully - the day ends when enough votes land on a person. Fortunately,
BMs have no hammers, but a preset timer. This is the time for astute decision making, emphasized by how close the winconditions are to the players.
Usually, it is at this time OR at LYLO that power roles like Cops or Doctors claim as whatever they've found is crucial to their faction's victory. The latter should only claim, in my opinion, when enough evidence has presented itself that he feels safe to claim. I cannot specify how, as many variables [such as doubt on whether scum NK'd, withheld their NK, or he got roleblocked] present itself.}
Ford:
Tiruin:
First of all, Unvote. I believe I have finally figured out where you're coming from.
Wait, what? Why the unvote when you had something to follow?
I never really had a case on you. I was confused about what you were doing, so I decided to push and see what happened. I'm now satisfied with what I've found.
Oh. So your vote was only to push for information? That is...really interesting. Had you any read from beforehand? At all?
Because this is what I gained:
> You believe that there is a doctor.
> Derived from other's statements, you see yourself as most likely to be town.
> You expected to be NK'd because of your last-moment lynch on a bandit.
IF, as the first sentence says, I expected to die last night, then it logically follows that I was saved by a doctor's protect.
Yes, there are other explanations. But it's the simplest one possible. It doesn't require anyone to take any risks or make any bad choices. It doesn't require the 20% chance of fraxert being scum, or the remote possibility of a bandit completely missing the 24 hour window to post their action, or for a bandit to take a gamble with a very low chance to pay off.
Now, if that isn't good enough, explain to me what is wrong with that reasoning.
There is nothing wrong there. I see you being valiant in your defense, something which I approve of. You know how to construct a defense, even if I believe your case is fallible otherwise. But, what I saw wrong was that you kept on pushing something that can't be generally proven until either someone claims, or what happened the preceding night happens again. Meaning, the absence of a NK.
Scum could or couldn't have NK'd. That was near impossible to prove at that time. Where I'm seeing it, that
wasn't the simplest explanation. That leaves questions like: Why would the doctor protect you and not anyone else? Because you seem to have bussed a scumbuddy? Or...because you seem to have seen him in trouble and then voted him off? Or maybe they didn't NK and...err...
See where the questioning goes?
{You did well on your explanation though, but let me point out that in Mafia -
all viewpoints must be considered before you post something that isn't conclusive to everyone else.}
But then...
Tiruin: Did you protect me during Night 2? If not, who did you protect?
Explain your reasoning on this one. This intrigues me.
OnyxGood, day has returned. I'll just explain my lurking yesterday before I get into theatrics.
[...]
If you notice, Ford, no one, let me repeat, no one answered my questions. Ever. After Day One, not a single question of mine has gotten answered. Not. One.
I think that explains why I don't do much but defend, because nothing else is payed any attention. Why don't I ask why no one answers? Because no one answers. Do I expect to get an answer from anyone as to why I'm not getting answers from anyone? No. No I don't.
I find that both hilarious and depressing.
@ Second statement: What questions :/
You gave declarative arguments and not interrogative ones. Reading back, you did ask a question...
to Fraxert. I see no other questions in your
other posts-Oh wait, it seems I've missed some.
Tiruin Out of curiosity, where is the line between acceptably defensive and scummily defensive actually drawn? I've seen some queer situations built out of that maddeningly blurred line.
That line is pretty hard to define. When someone speaks about scummy, it pertains to what they - in their opinion - see as an error in logic or a feeling upon reading the paragraphs in that post. It mostly depends on the wording of said post, as well as how it follows what they've said earlier in relation to the accusation against them.
Now back to the topic. You admit you're lurking, hmm? What about priority in posting here? If someone doesn't answer your queries, what do you do in that case? You wait on them, or you begin asking others questions instead? Which seems better?
{Players can miss some posts when they're engaged in reading other people, especially when they're on a case against the person. It is best to just remind them once again by either stating:
[Player Name]: why are you ignoring my questions.
Or something along those lines. People miss things, and it is up to you whether to be aggressive or diplomatic in reminding them. You can't just do...nothing while waiting for answers.}
Lastly, what did you mean by:
Good, day has returned.