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[Ukrainian Ranger]

BTW, I know how to find Alice, if Vindel enslaved her like he did with us, he will send her to hunt that giant frog... I think conversion will be enough to break enchantment

Or Vindel may visit the toad himself with some guards

We may use better gift on Alice, or get one along the way

[racnor]

but the only gifts we could use are the First gift, which we are saving, and the gift of puppetry, which would remove free will. That aside, we use our gifts to make new allys. Alice is already an ally, and turning her might enrage Foghorn, so we would waste a gift and either gain nothing or lose our strongest benefactor, gaining an enemy with night creature empathy 7 in the process. Just tell him that Alice never wanted to turn us against him, and that no-one is particularly sane after high-velocity bears.

Also, since we are the only remaining entity that remembers night troll culture, we could take this as an opportunity to redefine enchanting as a sacrifice by the soul collector, instead of a dark art. Don't lie about anything, just take a different perspective.

We're the last night troll, but between books and immortal elves there's still the probability that people know about our culture. And they'll probably see through our ruse.

I agree that switching the enchantment to plant empathy makes sense, and that we should talk to Rox about Alice and the "wonderland" she may want Alice to escape.

I'm not saying we should lie to her, just don't flip out about enchanting.

[GreatWyrmGold]

I'd also suggest inquiring as to why Alice is not present. I doubt that Foghorn told Rox to tell us about what he had done to her...

[Mlamlah]

I'd also suggest inquiring as to why Alice is not present. I doubt that Foghorn told Rox to tell us about what he had done to her...

This is a really good point. seconded.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Why ask? Do we really need him want to know that we care about Alice?

[GreatWyrmGold]

We could phrase it as a simple inquiry. You know, something like, "I can't help but notice that Alice is not accompanying you. Mind if I ask why this is so?" We could always just say that Alice was our best friend before coming to this elven place or something like that, that's true and averts suspicion.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

And still... Why do we need to ask?

[GreatWyrmGold]

To figure out how Foghorn feels about us knowing. If he tells the truth, he trusts us or doesn't care; if he says nothing or changes the subject, he's probably nervous about it and therefore likely wasn't doing it willingly; if he just lies, we've got almost nothing but at least we tried.

[javierpwn]

Find vindel, save Alice, figure problems out later.....?

[GreatWyrmGold]

Foghorn is a potential problem that we need to figure out how to solve. Asking about Alice would probably help in that regard.

[Corai]

Foghorn is a potential problem that we need to figure out how to solve. Asking about Alice would probably help in that regard.

This.

[javierpwn]

Didn't he already tell us about Alice, its in the black text

Asking/forcing information from Vindel seems good to me

[jaass]

Just ask Foghorn about what he thinks on Vindel then from there we should probably be very careful on how we break into his house. He most likely planned for us attacking him, and probably has a lot of backup plans too.

[GreatWyrmGold]

Didn't he already tell us about Alice, its in the black text

"Wakey-wakey!"
"I'm soooooo sorry about my daughter's behavior. I thank you for rejecting her, and assure you she has been punished for trying to turn you against me. Speaking of which I got a note from Vindel ordering you to obey his orders no longer, but it looks like you don't need it!"
"This is a nice ranch. The lovebirds are a great resource. Are you going to want to stay here or return to the tower? I can have Rox or Edgar babysit the site you aren't using until you have enough mates to keep them all occupied."
"If you leave now, Rox can show you back by around midnight."

Hm, actually, we can ask HOW she was punished. We did, after all, "cause" her punishment and don't want to worry that we accidentally caused her lots of harm.

[javierpwn]

Her punishment is being sold to Vindel and being disowned, which we already know


Anything further on that is to be determined by Vindel


What we should ask is why Foghorn was speaking to Vindel, which wont arouse suspicion