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[Darkwind3]

Twice really? I guess I haven't been thinking about the game too much. At this point I'd honestly be fine calling the game in favor of T'ien Chi, unless the rest of you want to band together to try and take him out (I have low confidence in this plan's success).

Me? Really? I've been thinking about asking everyone if they want to call in favor of you or gman! I would probably be in a decent position if I hadn't feebleminded my S6 Oracle forty turns ago (I actually don't know how long it's been, but quite a while). As it is, I have no access to Wish. My main advantage is versatile communions and so much fucking money (I seriously have a bank of 7000 gold right now). Money only buys chaff at this point, and you have versatile communions as well as a pretender who can actually wish, while gman has high death, which means GoRed Tartarians - and apparently also Wish, since he's got a Seraph camped on Ermor's capital. I've been spamming clams, but I assume you guys have been doing that too - gman is definitely in a position for that, and I imagine you've connived your way into W3N1 as well, Karlito.

Eriu and I have been trading blows for quite a while now and I despair of ever defeating him (I imagine Mentalfather feels likewise). If it weren't for that, maybe I'd be in that sort of winning position. Like you guys have said, my heart's not really in the game any more either.

Honestly, I was wrong to let Pan go AI rather than searching harder for subs. They've been doing quite well for themselves so far, though maybe just because no one's mustered up the will to really go on the offensive yet due to perpetual war.

[Neonivek]

I have no say, my knowledge of the current battlefield is zero.

[Karlito]

I imagine you've connived your way into W3N1 as well, Karlito.

Pbbbbt! Nope. I've spent too much time playing CBM to actually consider that when it mattered. I suppose I could wish myself enough nature gems to empower the right Arch Theurg now, but it really wasn't a good option before. Honestly, my only weapon right now is a dude who can cast Master Enslave with like +8 penetration. All my supercombatants have bit the dust, and I haven't bothered to replace them (I wasted like 230 gems on a porrly geared Seraph. Man, did that sting.)

I guess this game has been boring me for a while. You know, the only player I've actually fought was Caelum, and that lasted like 5 turns. It's been independents and AIs the whole rest of the time.

[MentalFather]

The East lands were more funny, since we got perpetual war since turn 30 approx.

I was fighting Ulm because he attacked me with no reason, and then Ermor asked me for help (he was being attacked by Caelum, Abysia, C'tis and Tien'chi). I accepted, since he was a powerful ally.
When Caelum got defeated by Ermor and retreated, she said Tien'chi was the boss of the coalition (in other words, of course). So the big menace was Tien'chi leading everybody to the big nation: Ermor.


So the next turn I sent 15 Sidhe lords to Tien'chi, to 5 different provinces. Every attack was a success (I think he wasn't expecting that).
Nex turn I continued attacking with my raiders, and a few turns later Puntocom said me to attack 2 provinces, so the retreaters of a big war against Tien'chi couldn't survive.

And that was a really great strategy: We take down Tien'chi's army a lot.


But then I had a big big problem I didn't expect. I was attacking Ulm at the same moment with my main army (10 tuathas and 25 sacred units with glamour [I don't remenber their name, but they are Sidhe guys]), but even if Ulm became AI, I couldn't siege Ulm's 800 defense castles with my 30 people army. So I sieged Ulm's 3 castles, this way the IA couldn't annoy me conquering provinces.

And then, with all my problems with Ulm and my attack with Tien'chi, Ryleh and Marignon started attacking me (at that moment I thought they were allied with Tien'chi, but now I'm still not sure about that, maybe they just attacked me). So I was fighting with 4 guys. A Sidhe lord full equiped stomped Marignon, so he wasn't a problem.
But everybody was Mental attacking my sidhes and thuatas, and I started to recruit Sorceresses from an independent province Tien'chi gave me. I build Astral caps, so I had A3 mages, and send them to protect every province I had sidhes.

A lot of mages were feebleminded (I think some of them were ryleh's) and I don't remember the message, but at that moment I knew Tien'chi's god was feebleminded by me. I don't remember if the message was "An enemy mage called [ Name of god] has been diseaded for life" or something like that. But I was sure Tien'chi was without a useful god.

But then Tien'chi started with the Gargoyles... At that moment I couldn't deal with supercombatants with 80 hp with my 15 hp sidhe lords.

He sieged me with 2 gargoyles and a Golem, I think. I was so stupid to think a Frost ring in my pretender was going to protect my pretender from every damage of a Frost brand (it could sound logic, but it doesn't protect) and I lost my pretender and my Mother oak enchantment.


I researched and started to build Axes of Hate to deal with the supercombatants.


I knocked down some golems, some others knocked me.




At this moment I'm fighting Tien'chi with tooth and nail, countering his Communions and slaying every chinese that goes into my lands. But it's not working so good.


I think Tien'chi can't conquer me at the moment, and if C'tis attacks him, Tien'chi can fall down.




Ermor stopped talking to me since a lot of time ago, and I'm almost sure he is sending the turns empty. He didn't even defend himself from Tien'chi's forces since 20 turns ago.
Now Tien'chi controls almost every Ermor province, but he is still beatable.


I can't win, since Eriu isn't a late game Nation, so I don't mind if win finish it.
Also the game is a bit funny, not so boring. I don't have my heart in it (10-15 turns ago I would have said "YES!" to finish the game, but now I'm fine), but this game still has something to offer me. I learned a lot of things this game: countering astral attacks, countering communions, building thugs, and a lot of things. Also I learned that my perfectly scripted mages to cast Storm, Rain, and Storm power (this way Sidhe lords with 2 Air can cast Thunder strike too) don't cast Storm, don't cast Rain, and cast whatever they want. Stupid AI of mages...  : (

What are your thoughts about this game? Onlie Karlito, Darkwind and me are veterans of the game... I would want to have here Puntocom, C'tis guy, Scriptwolf and Ryleh first guy, to say what did the game teached to them, but they staled without end.



Anyways, good game guys.

[gman8181]

Hey I don't think I staled once since I started playing Ctis!

Honestly it wasn't too much of a learning experience for me.  I'm used to equipping generalized supercombatants from my single player games and I also use communions a lot in single player.  The things I really don't have much experience with are creating specially equipped thugs and SC's for special situations.  Actually thugs in general, I don't have too much experience with.  I normally skip that phase and go straight for the big stuff.

Since starting this game, I think Ermor has been my only opponent and they've been staling a lot so I'm don't feel too proud about beating them back.

[MentalFather]

Hey I don't think I staled once since I started playing Ctis!

Honestly it wasn't too much of a learning experience for me.  I'm used to equipping generalized supercombatants from my single player games and I also use communions a lot in single player.  The things I really don't have much experience with are creating specially equipped thugs and SC's for special situations.  Actually thugs in general, I don't have too much experience with.  I normally skip that phase and go straight for the big stuff.

Since starting this game, I think Ermor has been my only opponent and they've been staling a lot so I'm don't feel too proud about beating them back.

When I said "the C'tis guy" I was refering to the C'tis player we had before you

[Darkwind3]

There doesn't seem to be much enthusiasm for the game among the remaining players. No one has called for the game to end, but do you guys think that would be a good idea? I think it would end without a winner, though, if we do - no one is in a terribly dominant position. I feel like it's become more of a slog, and I would be alright with the game ending here - victory for anyone feels quite far off, and all I have to look forward to is fort spam and continuing to trade blows with Eriu. I imagine the outlook for everyone else is rather similar.

Given the number and size of the AIs (including Ermor provisionally in the AI category), I feel like any victory would be kind of tainted by both the significant resources of the AIs who could have posed a great threat, and the sheer drudgery of fighting through them.
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Mentalfather's done a retrospective, so I may as well. I've definitely learned a lot from this game. My mistake against Ermor was resting on my laurels - Fire Arrows/Wind Guide archers are badass but they will only get you so far, and Ermor crushed me by bringing mages to a battle where I wasn't expecting that sort of opposition. Puntocom basically brought me kicking and screaming to the midgame.

I also learned a lot about thugs, too. Golems are pretty damn great thanks to Teleport/Returning, though it eats up your astral income quite fast. Because this was a Vanilla game, though, I got away with it. In CBM I expect I'd rely significantly more on Gargoyles. Otherwise, MA T'ien Ch'i doesn't have much access to thugs (and no access to SCs in Vanilla, though CBM would change this I think thanks to Ettins/Wendigos). Honestly, solo raiders are all about force estimation - you go where your enemy won't be. Two or three thugs properly geared ought to take out basically any amount of PD, but with only one you have to be careful. (Also, don't bring along units. Losing because of imps or whatever dying in droves and auto-routing has been the bane of several of my thugs.)

I can actually get literally every path in the game in my communions right now, but I don't feel nearly as versatile as that sounds. Mostly, it's because that gives me nothing to counter Thunderstrike spam past killing the Tuatha first. I can mitigate it with resistance and fatigue spells, but with 30 casters that still chews up any army that's not thousands of units large. In a nutshell, that's why I've been at war with Mentalfather for so long - I can't actually stop him from destroying any army I bring to bear against his main taskforce.

I don't think either of us gained anything from this war that was worth its cost. Honestly, we'd probably be better off declaring peace, but I'm not even sure whether that's possible by this point.

In conclusion: what T'ien Ch'i gains in MA probably isn't worth what you lose from EA.

And then, with all my problems with Ulm and my attack with Tien'chi, Ryleh and Marignon started attacking me (at that moment I thought they were allied with Tien'chi, but now I'm still not sure about that, maybe they just attacked me). So I was fighting with 4 guys. A Sidhe lord full equiped stomped Marignon, so he wasn't a problem.

I can't say I organized the initial war against Ermor (Boksi was the one who approached me about it), but I definitely encouraged Marignon and R'lyeh to attack you. That was probably an entire in-game year before they actually bothered, though.  It worked out rather poorly for them, it would seem.

[Darkwind3]

I imagine everyone wants to continue, then? I ask because this is relevant to Ermor's fate - I meant to turn them AI, but it turns out Ermor actually has shitloads (this is the technical term) of gems, easily enough to turn the tide of the war. If the game is going to continue then I'll start searching for a sub as fast as I can, because turning Ermor AI would be an absurd waste.

[gman8181]

Like I said before, I don't care much either way.  I'm simply playing because you all needed a sub but I don't mind this continuing if you guys want it to.

[MentalFather]

I don't mind. I just wanted to play 1 or two more, since you have a big army and I wanted to do a final battle or something.

But AI are invading me, and I can't hold my lands anymore. Pangaea and Ryleh are attacking me everywhere with a few troops, and sometimes the attacks are successful.

[Darkwind3]

Many thanks to Gallarcher from dom3mods for taking over Ermor for us! It's definitely an unusual position, so I'm glad you were willing to take a shot at it.

[Gallarcher]

Thanks for inviting me. I'll fight the good fight as long as I can.

[gman8181]

I won't have access to a computer for the next two days, so if it looks like I might miss a turn, that's why.

[MentalFather]

I can't believe I won that fight...
I REALLY hate Gifts from Heaven... and you are so lucky with that spell too.

Anyways this game is a bit boring. You have my vote for finishing the game.

[ThtblovesDF]

long good recap

You did feeblemind ryl'ehs god and a lot of the mages, I was trying to avoid the areas where I could spy a sorcees shown by astral-spying, but the side are of course glamours and hiding very well...