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tailpipe7

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Is this normal?
« on: October 17, 2012, 04:02:37 pm »

I just got back into DF because I wanted to show my friends how to play and what its all about. So I embarked and started playing with dwarves from the dwarven civilization of "The Colorless Fences". The first year is smooth and I mostly just show my friends the mechanics of the game. As I get to showing them the mountain home that the dwarves came from I found this:



So the dwarven mountain home has a goblin crossbowman as their general.
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Is this normal? I have herd of some weird stories before but I haven't scene this is the game before. Will I ever get to meet this goblin general? I'm tempted to look through the legends and figure out how this happened.
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Re: Is this normal?
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2012, 04:04:09 pm »

I'd look at the history. Maybe he was a prisoner and eventually got to rank up in the military or something.
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Re: Is this normal?
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2012, 04:14:25 pm »

Yep, it's normal.
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Re: Is this normal?
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2012, 04:15:34 pm »

Maybe the goblins succeeded in a raid on a very well-established fortress, killing the adults and making off with over a hundred dwarven children.

Maybe the dwarven children grew up wanting revenge and killed all the goblins except the one who had led the raid (the general) so he could see everything he had ever worked for collapse into ruin while the dwarves killed his loved ones and stole everything valuable they had.

Maybe he is bound to the wall in some distant crevasse of the queen's spacious chambers overlooking the fort's entrance (the queen who was the oldest child at the time, the queen who led the rebellion), helpless to watch as his old home is overrun with yet more dwarves, forced to see his comrades try to take the fortress and be killed every time.

Or maybe he's just a prisoner, who knows?
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Re: Is this normal?
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2012, 05:03:16 pm »

These usually happen when one civilization takes over another, or at least another civ's sites. The dwarves probably kicked some goblins' asses and let some of the populace live. Civilizations in DF aren't prone to racism, so everyone has roughly the same chances of getting into a high-ranking position in government. Well, historical figures do. And any goblins left over from a raid might be historical figures.
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Re: Is this normal?
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2012, 05:58:26 pm »

My locale Goblin civ is mix of Elves and Goblins. Their law giver is Elven, but I can't figure out if their general is Elven or Goblin.

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Re: Is this normal?
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2012, 07:59:47 pm »

This phenomenon is reasonably common, actually. If you examine the Goblin civilizations, you'll probably find some Dwarven and Human historical figures. I think there's something about how the children of captured people become residents of the civilization that captured their parents.
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Re: Is this normal?
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2012, 08:04:13 pm »

I wonder if dwarf civs that have taken over a goblin civ but later on lost all their dwarves (a dwarf civ with no living dwarves but only the remains of the goblin civ) would send dwarven immigrants.
An elven civ that had 0 living elves (the one i posted earlier) still send elven caravans. I wonder how that would work with a home civilization.
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Re: Is this normal?
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2012, 08:22:20 pm »

I once had a world where about 80% of all high places of every single civilization in the world were goblins. The world was run by goblins and it was terrifying.

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Re: Is this normal?
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2012, 08:26:36 pm »

This phenomenon is fairly-well known.  It gave birth to Cacame, the elf-king of the dwarves, the most badass historical figure in all of dwarfdom. 
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« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2012, 01:04:51 am »

My current game has the opposite issue.  The goblins apparently conquered a dwarven site.  So, every ambush squad that attacks has one or two dwarves in it.  When those dwarves die, the are buried in the cemetery set aside for my own civ.  If they are not buried, they become ghosts. 

I've also got a river that flash freezes for one frame every year, deconstructing anything built on top of it.  (Well, except walls, floors and bridges.)  Considering it's an above ground fort, wells are an annual issue.  And I can't protect the fortress from swimmers with grates. 

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Re: Is this normal?
« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2012, 02:44:10 am »

Every once in a while I'll generate a world where 90% of merchants in towns are goblins. I didn't even know that peaceful goblins were a possibility, so I killed two of my adventurers before I realized what was happening.
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