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[Seriyu]

I do highly agree with the "no one way to interprete the game" thing. For instance...

Yume nikki ending spoilers, pretty much explains the entire ending

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The ending? Some people think there's a "happy ending" for madotsuki, in that the "real life" is actually just another layer of the dream. Supporting evidence is there, namely the fact that even when she's awake her eyes are closed, along with the fact that when she jumps off the dream creatures move in from off screen, which obviously don't exist in the real world.  As much as I'd like to believe this, I feel both of these points are stylistic choices rather then hints, but it's still supported in a sense, at least.

Then there's the theory that Madotsuki lives in a post apocalyptic world where people have turned into those jellyfish man things, which would explain why she can't get any signal on the TV. She decides to end it all when she realizes she's the only normal human left.

The whole "Madotsuki is a serial killer that can't live with what she's done now that she's sobered up" theory comes up a lot too.

[Lectorog]

Spoiler: Yume Nikki (click to show/hide)

Madotsuki could also be seeing humans as these strange, alien creatures in her mind. The thing that walks by is a person, and she actually died. I think this one is something I came up with, but maybe not.

Because it was pretty well explained...

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Nikki is basically the biggest loser ever and an average little girl with suicidal and homicidal tendencies. She suffers from poor body image, social anxiety, and seems to be a insular character

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A theory that could be added to that or replace parts is that Madotsuki is transsexual. This leads to some interesting connections.
I think the dreams are a bit too extreme to be explained only by poor body image, social anxiety, and being insular. The homicidal tendency could explain it, but the violent imagery seems to focus on a victim, rather than an assailant. I think it goes further than simple bullying.
Also, the character's name is Madotsuki. Nikki means "diary". I got a chuckle out of that.

[Seriyu]

Spoiler: Yume Nikki (click to show/hide)

Madotsuki could also be seeing humans as these strange, alien creatures in her mind. The thing that walks by is a person, and she actually died. I think this one is something I came up with, but maybe not.

Spoiler: Yume Nikki - mine (click to show/hide)

 That's actually a neat way of thinking it. Seems plausible.

Another interesting fact about the jellyfish man things is that they can't be killed, which is a quality only shared by either pretty "large" figures in her dreams, (uboa, toringen, maccom-sensei; the guy in the spaceship), or things that are litterally too large to be harmed by the knife. Which implies they're some kind of important part of the dream or something of the sort.

[Neonivek]

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It isn't that they are entirely explained by it. I was only giving tidbits of her character.

Also I just like calling her Nikki or sometimes even Yume. It is a lot better then trying to call her by her name that never actually appears in the game.

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Madotsuki could also be seeing humans as these strange, alien creatures in her mind

Actually... yes that is kinda exactly what is happening in many scenes. A lot of the creatures are stand ins for people or concepts. Some are vague unspecific people like the Elephent women in the school (who are supposed to be the students and bullies)... and others are of specific people like the Alien in the spaceship.

The social anxiety aspect comes from how school is interpreted in the world. There is no saving grace there and all the "students" are set against her. The most calm and relaxed places are places where Yume would be entirely alone.

As for "Yume is transexual" I am going to go with a no... that sounds like something that is quite an American symbol

the violent imagery seems to focus on a victim, rather than an assailant

It is more that she is thinking about it. It is very unlikely that she has actually hurt someone, but she has strongly thought about it.

Her suicidal tendencies, or at least contemplations of suicide, are so saturated in this thing...

Another thing to remember that links in is that Yume has also experienced people being mutilated in terrible accidents before. The bullying is important to framing Yume's personality if you understand her as someone who has tragically lost others and has no reprieve even at school. As well many of the powers and abilities dirrectly link to bullying so it is quite evident that it is atleast a large part of her psychological issues

As for no happy ending... it is my belief that there was an intended happy ending that simply was never put into the game because it really will never be finished

[ToonyMan]

I do want to try Yume 2kki and .flow at some point.  Both are just sitting on my desktop.  I guess I just want another Ib or Corpse Party or Ao Oni even instead.

[Seriyu]

I've never played ib, I keep meaning to, never heard of corpse party. But if you're looking for "horror", .flow is a bit better about it, it seems a lot more sinister in general then yume nikki. I still wouldn't call it horror, but I've kind've got a bad scale for these things, never been easily scared by games. So for all I know it's horrifying. Personally seemed more like tension, kinda like yume nikki, except in this case it just really feels like something bad is gonna happen, rather then something wierd is gonna happen, which is the feeling I got out of yume nikki.

[Seriyu]

I've gone ahead and updated the OP with a link to the list of fangames on the yume nikki fangames wiki, along with links to specifically yume 2kki and .flow. If there are any others you'd like to recommend, lemme know and I'll add direct links to them too, although try to limit it to the really good ones.

[Seriyu]

So thread slowed down, figured I'd do a little more .flow so I have an excuse to bump it (and also triple post).

Spoiler: .flow spoilers/yume nikki spoilers (click to show/hide)

Note, I also found the black hoodie last time, in the hospital area with the nurse and zombie doctor/meat hooks.

So, first stop, flower world. I eventually find the two "posts" that mark a doorway, go into em, and end up back in the ocean area. I go north instead of south this time, and find a giant building. I wander on in and see what it has to offer.

ANnnnd it's a maze. Oh well. I end up finding a dead end with an uboa face on it, and a sillouette of Sabitsuki, and eventually finding my way into dark, poorly lit tunnels with kind've uboa looking fellows with dots for faces. I've been there before, but I didn't write it down in the first post. Maybe one of the places I forgot. I also end up in a broken down looking area of the "maze" from before, seems to use the same tileset. Has some of those "image windows" from the sewers in yume nikki, huh. Also weird looking monitor (as in computer) monsters with freaky lookin mouths on their screens. Also black wings, they look kinda inky? Hmmmm. I think I've been here before too, it may have been before I was writing down specific trip reports in the first log. Anyway I end up in a room with an either very odd looking red carpet or blood flooring. Huh. A bunch of people in cages in varying shadowy forms, none of them seem to react to anything though. Anyway, I end up at the guillotine again, and find out the death looking figures there don't react to the handgun, as you'd expect of executioner things I suppose. I also find out that after five shots of the hadngun effect, Subitsuki reloads. Neat little touch. Anyway, into hell I go, preferably not being teleported out by a bizzare looking stick figure man to the docks this time.

Unfortunatly nothing much was in hell, aside from a bizzare field of fire spouts that I couldn't interact with. Mental note for later. I also thought that maybe next time I end up in the jail area I should wear the black hoodie, since so many characters there seem to be black in color. Might do somethin. Anyway, I end up in the docks like I did last time. I go all the way up the stairs to head to the ocean area, hopefully to find the black and orange machine again, as I want to see if the guy working on it does anything special with handgun.

Unfortunatly that oceaney looking area isn't connected to the main area, so there's nothing I can do about that. There's a strange arrangement of wooden spike things in the center, so I fiddle with that a bit, but no dice. At this point I jump out and save, and stop.

No new effects, although I did notice subitsuki has a meter not unlike "HP" in the menu, 270/340 I think? Maybe it was 360. I'll have to keep an eye on it and see what it does. Anyway, expect more later today.

Caw.

[Neonivek]

I feel like this tread is falling appart due to the reliance on spoilers

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[Seriyu]

Yeah, but the spoilers are fairly necessary to enjoyment, I know when I tried to play yume nikki after the LP, I just kinda stopped after looking around in the surface worlds and went back and watched the LP again. Spoilers really kill the enjoyment of these games.

If the thread moves slowly because people are still playing through the games, then that's fine. I'd just likef or people that are playing through to toss in some input too, I guess. 

I'll put some thought into making the spoiler rules a bit less harsh for discussion but I wanna make sure I don't go too far with it.

[Neonivek]

Well I'll just do a spoiler warning. It works.

[Seriyu]

The thing about a spoiler warning is it accomplishes the same thing as a spoiler tag, except less good. The only downside is you have to click the spoiler tag. I know a lot of people just hate spoiler tags for some reason, and while I never understood why, I've got nothing against it.

SO, new spoiler rules. Talking about the enviroments is okay, that's the main "draw" of the game anyway, minor NPCs are also fine (Like, for instance the little neon animal things in the neon world in yume nikki etc) Mentioning names of major NPCs is okay, as most of the fan given names are recognizable without being terribly descriptive, but anything involving interactions with them (or bizzare interactions for minor NPCs, usually involving other effects) goes into spoiler tags. Effect names and... well, effects, also go into spoiler tags.

Does that sound good?

EDIT: Since nobody spoke up I'm assuming it's fine. If you feel it needs more tweaking then feel free to speak up.

[Vattic]

It had strong hints of gaming features they were planning but never got to.

Colour me interested. Mind expanding on this some?

[Neonivek]

It had strong hints of gaming features they were planning but never got to.

Colour me interested. Mind expanding on this some?

They is money in the game as well as vending machines. The game was likely going to have more RPG elements but they never got around to.

[frostshotgg]

After watching a chunk of the LP and seeing how (Or at least one way) the money is acquired... I'm more inclined to say it's a parody of the way money is gotten in other RPGs.