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[kaijyuu]

Man, can't we do both?

[Karnewarrior]

NO.

It's world peace or living green. ONE OR THE OTHER.

[misko27]

NO.

It's world peace or living green. ONE OR THE OTHER.

Living green, if that includes soylent green!

No, no world peace. Peace is bad. Over 500 years of war suppresion and toruture under the medici family, Italy produced the Renaisassance, the works of Leonardo, The great inventions of the time. And, over that same period, Switzerland experianced hundreds of years of peace and calm growth, and what did they invent? The cuckoo clock.

I don't want  4-dimensional cuckoo clock, I want a damn Holo-graphic Painting of The Mona-Lisa. And That's why world peace is bad.

[Hanslanda]

World peace is bad because war promotes industry and innovation because fuck the other guy.

In other news, war is bad because it fucks your economy right up, and it leads to hate, racism and bigotry.

[kaijyuu]

Of the two options, I think I choose the hippie paradise of love and peace.

[misko27]

World peace is bad because war promotes industry and innovation because fuck the other guy.

In other news, war is bad because it fucks your economy right up, and it leads to hate, racism and bigotry.

You can see it like this, I prefer to see it as the fires of Conflict being used to forge creativty.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

The "war promotes/does not promote the economy" thing is fallacious. The economic effects of war are dependent upon the nation engaging in war. The US profited from WWII so much because the government more or less took over the whole country's industry and gave them guaranteed business for years. The US didn't profit from the Vietnam War because it lasted a decade during which most of the fighting was bogged down and focused upon the desires of paranoid politicians and the early military-industrial complex.

[Techhead]

NO.

It's world peace or living green. ONE OR THE OTHER.

Living green, if that includes soylent green!

No, no world peace. Peace is bad. Over 500 years of war suppresion and toruture under the medici family, Italy produced the Renaisassance, the works of Leonardo, The great inventions of the time. And, over that same period, Switzerland experianced hundreds of years of peace and calm growth, and what did they invent? The cuckoo clock.

I don't want  4-dimensional cuckoo clock, I want a damn Holo-graphic Painting of The Mona-Lisa. And That's why world peace is bad.

You do realize that the Old Swiss Confederacy waged (mostly successful) wars of expansion more or less starting from their founding in 1291, along with a couple of internal conflicts. It wasn't until the Peace of Westphailia in 1648 that the European powers-that-be recognized their independence from the Holy Roman Empire. Internal struggles continued in the 17th and early 18th centuries. They were conquered by Napoleonic France in 1798, but resisted against the Helvetica republic, a French puppet state. In 1815 they once again regained their independence and established their position of neutrality. The Swiss then had more internal struggles until the drafting on the Swiss constitution in 1848. So please, don't extrapolate 500 years of Renaissance peace from 160 years of modern Switzerland.

Also, the Cuckoo clock was invented in the Black Forest, located in Germany.

[Kogan Loloklam]

Lies! The clock's manufacture location was switzerland, origionally part of the watch of Alexander J Kooclue. Any statements to the contrary are filthy Dolphinist propaganda.

Don't fall for it! They are trying to stop our nukes with their Saving The Dolphin campaigns!

[10ebbor10]

The "war promotes/does not promote the economy" thing is fallacious. The economic effects of war are dependent upon the nation engaging in war. The US profited from WWII so much because the government more or less took over the whole country's industry and gave them guaranteed business for years. The US didn't profit from the Vietnam War because it lasted a decade during which most of the fighting was bogged down and focused upon the desires of paranoid politicians and the early military-industrial complex.

Also, the US sold quite a lot to Europe. With it being a battlefield, Europe needed to buy it's weaponry food and all other stuff.  War can overstimulate the economy though, which can be dangerous. Hence the reason they issue war bonds

[MorleyDev]

It's a curious thing about humanity, not only do the majority of our inventions come from originally-military uses, but those that don't we look for some way they can be used by the military. We could develop the instant-pill-cure-a-cancer and someone'd wonder how to weaponise it...

Which is obviously easy. Use high powered lasers to give all your enemies cancer, and negotiate peace in exchange for the cure. Then poison the cure and leak documents blaming it on a third country, creating a scapegoat that either allies the survivors of your genocide with you for revenge or creates enough confusion that you can just roll in and curb-stomp the fractured and cancer-ridden survivors.

See, we instantly come up with a way to weaponise ANYTHING. Humanity are the McGuyvers of War.

[10ebbor10]

It's a curious thing about humanity, not only do the majority of our inventions come from originally-military uses, but those that don't we look for some way they can be used by the military. We could develop the instant-pill-cure-a-cancer and someone'd wonder how to weaponise it...

Which is obviously easy. Use high powered lasers to give all your enemies cancer, and negotiate peace in exchange for the cure. Then poison the cure and leak documents blaming it on a third country, creating a scapegoat that either allies the survivors of your genocide with you for revenge or creates enough confusion that you can just roll in and curb-stomp the fractured and cancer-ridden survivors.

See, we instantly come up with a way to weaponise ANYTHING. Humanity are the McGuyvers of War.

Also, any cancer cure is a highly effective cell killer that is capable of avoiding friendly fire. You could easily reprogram it(considering you somehow programmed it in the first place) to instead target other types of cells, creating a deadly disease that depending on the complexity will only target a certain group of people.

And yeah, quite a lot of things were invented because of(fear of) war. Religion for example, and a large part of our modern day tech too. Cold wars tend to be better than actual war though, although it hinders cooperation somewhat. After all, it's not really the war that stimulates people, but just the fact that they have a common enemy they can unite against.

I remember a certain battle were they used Cheese instead of cannonballs. They won.

[Loud Whispers]

although it hinders cooperation somewhat.

It has no place in the age of information, it stops the hivemind of humanity from existing! So uh... Yeah, steal the aliens' internet.

[Graknorke]

although it hinders cooperation somewhat.

It has no place in the age of information, it stops the hivemind of humanity from existing! So uh... Yeah, steal the aliens' internet.

Are you truly that cruel? Cut off their largest circle of communication? Tear away an incredibly valuable resource?
Take away their bizarre squid pornography?

We should instead just throw the residents of the more bloodthirsty corners of 4chan on their internet. It would be the perfect plan. Nobody would suspect the world's governments, and the aliens would probably get insulted with racial slurs enough that they just packed up and left.

[Loud Whispers]

Are you truly that cruel?

...

We should instead just throw the residents of the more bloodthirsty corners of 4chan on their internet.

Lol