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Re: Europa Universalis IV
« Reply #2160 on: October 08, 2015, 03:46:36 am »

Those are some disgusting borders you have in that Scrubomans game. Expanding into dirty slav lands, have you no shame?!

Also:
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/eu4-dev-diary-october-8th.885819/
Pretty lackluster all round.
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Re: Europa Universalis IV
« Reply #2161 on: October 08, 2015, 04:00:14 am »

That just seems... odd.  I can't think of any instance in history where an empire attempted to convert a conquered culture into a third, also conquered culture.  I'm not even sure what that would look like or how they would go about doing it.
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Re: Europa Universalis IV
« Reply #2162 on: October 08, 2015, 04:05:21 am »

Yeah it's ridiculous. Instead of addressing the issue of cultures like the Dutch getting wiped off the face of the earth they added vassal feeding 2.0. Culture conversion has to be completely removed from EU4 (outside of primitive/colonising) and replaced with a more advanced system of culture acceptance. How many cultures were wiped out in the EU4 timeline? I'm betting not many and those that were heavily suppressed made a hasty return in the age of nationalism.

I suppose if you want to make Kyoto Sami as Morocco this is the feature for you.
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« Reply #2163 on: October 08, 2015, 05:03:03 am »

Culture conversion has always been a sort of silly feature you do for funsies, so it doesn't seem like a very big deal. I've seen the AI commit some fairly revolting cultural atrocities (Castilian Italy is probably the most common), and being able to reverse that at a heavy discount sounds like a fine feature. Converting cultures to ones other than your own does seem very unrealistic, but I can imagine having some fun with it.

It really isn't the change I'd be looking for, though. Something I'd like to see is a system where you can select an unaccepted culture to "represent" its group, simulating the way empires often favored a minority in local leadership positions as a way of creating a loyal and ruthless administration (allowing the player to set up the same sort of messed up colonial structures that caused so many modern problems). Or really, just any way of getting reduced maluses when you have, for instance, the entirety of China but accept none of the cultures because the sum of each individual culture prevents any other one from being accepted. Being able to get an entire culture group accepted to the point where it gives the same level of maluses you get from unaccepted cultures in your own group would be a great improvement.
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Re: Europa Universalis IV
« Reply #2164 on: October 08, 2015, 06:23:57 am »

Honestly? Less absurd than it currently is. Any state larger than a dozen or two provinces is going to have to convert everything over to the core culture right now, thanks to how accepted cultures work.
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Re: Europa Universalis IV
« Reply #2165 on: October 08, 2015, 06:27:39 am »

Converting cultures to ones other than your own does seem very unrealistic, but I can imagine having some fun with it.


What about stuff like Great-Britain (culture: English) settling some of its colonies with Scots for example?
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Re: Europa Universalis IV
« Reply #2166 on: October 08, 2015, 07:07:30 am »

Converting cultures to ones other than your own does seem very unrealistic, but I can imagine having some fun with it.


What about stuff like Great-Britain (culture: English) settling some of its colonies with Scots for example?
Settling its east indies colonies with Indians and Chinese is more significant but that mostly happened around the time Viccy takes place

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« Reply #2167 on: October 08, 2015, 07:26:27 am »

What about the settling of the Volga Germans by Catherine the Great?
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Re: Europa Universalis IV
« Reply #2168 on: October 08, 2015, 07:33:10 am »

Converting cultures to ones other than your own does seem very unrealistic, but I can imagine having some fun with it.


What about stuff like Great-Britain (culture: English) settling some of its colonies with Scots for example?
As far as I know all Scottish settlements in the New World were sent by the Scottish government or by private investment. Even after the Act of Union in 1707 they still enjoyed a rather decent degree of freedom and the colonies stayed under quasi-Scottish rule until their destruction by the likes of the Spanish or disease.

The English just didn't march into Scotland, point at the nearest family and demand they got their stuff and moved to the Americas. Scottish emigration outside of their colonies would be in willful exchange for labour such as trappers, home duties, soldiers or scouts.
Of course there were also the slaves (from failed revolts in Scotland/Ireland) and the indentured servants sent to "work off loans". They were sent over in large numbers but obviously there were desire to suppress these "deviant" cultures.
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Re: Europa Universalis IV
« Reply #2169 on: October 08, 2015, 07:46:30 am »

My first thought was Magyarization, but while it dates to the 18th century, it only got into full swing in Vicky period.  In principle, I can see the effective subsuming of a distrusted minority into a trusted minority as a tactic in the same line as the historical use of trusted minorities in positions of power (for example, the use of Jews as tax collectors in the Ukraine under Czarist Russia), though it was rarely to the level of actually converting whole provinces. 

Which really is my problem with culture conversion in general, but that's something much more general than this.  It's simply too controlled, too directed for much of the EU timeframe. 
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Re: Europa Universalis IV
« Reply #2170 on: October 08, 2015, 08:35:02 am »

Plus I'd like to see the opposite happening, like invading China with a land border to your capital risking being assimilated into China

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« Reply #2171 on: October 08, 2015, 08:39:37 am »

Can't it already happen? Like if you take over the whole of China, there will be so much Chinese in your empire your primary culture flip?
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Re: Europa Universalis IV
« Reply #2172 on: October 08, 2015, 08:54:11 am »


What about stuff like Great-Britain (culture: English) settling some of its colonies with Scots for example?

Fun fact, this is the origin of Redneck culture in the United States.  Thanks Scotland!
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Re: Europa Universalis IV
« Reply #2173 on: October 08, 2015, 09:01:16 am »

Edit: No, wait, it's the southern ACCENT that's from trying to imitate the High-British-at-the-Time accent to make them sound more sophisticated.
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« Reply #2174 on: October 08, 2015, 10:08:31 am »

Can't it already happen? Like if you take over the whole of China, there will be so much Chinese in your empire your primary culture flip?
Yep, but the decision only appears if your capital also shares that culture.  I'm not certain I've ever seen the AI move their capital outside of immediate pressure due to losing land to hostile powers, though I haven't played EU4 that much compared to the first three, however, so that may explain its relative rarity.  Of course, Mongolia and Manchu are both ineligible for the decision by virtue of their tags, if Wiki is accurate, so the two historical sources of the foreign dynasties are both unable to convert to Chinese culture. 
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