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Author Topic: Curiosity Mission: Shutting Down 2016  (Read 136713 times)

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Re: Curiosity Mission: NASA covers up proof of alien civilization on Mars
« Reply #690 on: December 02, 2012, 12:39:48 am »

Assuming that actually pans out (heh, mining joke), I've gotta figure out how to get in on something like that. I bet the people doing the labor will be extremely well-paid.
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Re: Curiosity Mission: NASA covers up proof of alien civilization on Mars
« Reply #691 on: December 02, 2012, 12:40:33 am »

Even better than deep sea welders!
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Re: Curiosity Mission: NASA covers up proof of alien civilization on Mars
« Reply #692 on: December 02, 2012, 12:42:09 am »

There's one big problem: Once we hit the payoff, platinum, palladium, and whatever else they bring back will hit post-scarcity and be almost worthless. On the other hand, we'll have a lot of it to sell.

Still, better than not having enough of it.
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Re: Curiosity Mission: NASA covers up proof of alien civilization on Mars
« Reply #693 on: December 02, 2012, 12:47:29 am »

Yes, but there will still be plenty of demand for the stuff. It's not like they're only used in jewelry or whatever.
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Re: Curiosity Mission: NASA covers up proof of alien civilization on Mars
« Reply #694 on: December 02, 2012, 12:53:36 am »

Yes, but the demand will never reach the supply. Just one asteroid will be worth 175 years of our current demand.
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Re: Curiosity Mission: NASA covers up proof of alien civilization on Mars
« Reply #695 on: December 02, 2012, 12:54:26 am »

There's one big problem: Once we hit the payoff, platinum, palladium, and whatever else they bring back will hit post-scarcity and be almost worthless. On the other hand, we'll have a lot of it to sell.

Still, better than not having enough of it.
Hooray, another reason to move past an economic system where scarcity is considered worth preserving. :P
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Re: Curiosity Mission: NASA covers up proof of alien civilization on Mars
« Reply #696 on: December 02, 2012, 12:56:27 am »

There are issues with having an economy where some things are post-scarcity and some things aren't. coughcoughinternetpiracycoughcough
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Re: Curiosity Mission: NASA covers up proof of alien civilization on Mars
« Reply #697 on: December 02, 2012, 01:00:35 am »

Well, fortunatly/unfortunatly it's extremely unlikely that they are just going to release all of it into the market. It's highly likely that instead they will simply keep control of the entire supply, trickling it in rather than flooding, that way they make steady income and it maintains value.
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Re: Curiosity Mission: NASA covers up proof of alien civilization on Mars
« Reply #698 on: December 02, 2012, 02:02:40 am »

There are issues with having an economy where some things are post-scarcity and some things aren't. coughcoughinternetpiracycoughcough
Yeah, I know. That's why the paradigm needs revision, because it's already the case that some things aren't scarce. The more situations where its profitable to fail at progress, the more obvious it becomes that an economy defined by scarcity is not sustainable. Kinda wish I were smart enough to figure out a workaround that wouldn't involve outcries of "But that's not fair!", but I think that at that point we're reaching beyond the scope of this thread and might want to migrate over to the Occupy one. >_____>
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“What are you doing?”, asked Minsky. “I am training a randomly wired neural net to play Tic-Tac-Toe” Sussman replied. “Why is the net wired randomly?”, asked Minsky. “I do not want it to have any preconceptions of how to play”, Sussman said.
Minsky then shut his eyes. “Why do you close your eyes?”, Sussman asked his teacher.
“So that the room will be empty.”
At that moment, Sussman was enlightened.

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Re: Curiosity Mission: NASA covers up proof of alien civilization on Mars
« Reply #699 on: December 02, 2012, 02:04:21 am »

I would predict that we'll stay mostly behind the scarcity barrier even if we have to enforce it until such a time that the majority of our resources are stably post-scarce. At that point we'll start dismantling the economy.
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Re: Curiosity Mission: NASA covers up proof of alien civilization on Mars
« Reply #700 on: December 02, 2012, 03:58:22 am »

One small step for humanity, one giant leap until Star Trek is a reality  :o

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Re: Curiosity Mission: NASA covers up proof of alien civilization on Mars
« Reply #701 on: December 02, 2012, 04:48:11 am »

http://arstechnica.com/science/2012/04/good-morning-everyone-im-chris-lewicki-and-im-an-asteroid-miner-planetary-resources-announces-aste/

Who here has heard of this awesomery yet?

Caught one of their first live press releases on this, and put it up on Livestream. Really exciting stuff... orbital hydrogen fuel and oxygen plants would help build the infrastructure for future space travel.

In other awesomery, Mercury has water, and spectrometry says it has organic matter on it (carbon compounds, possible organisms, etc). And it's formed on ice deposits on our closest planet to the sun... friggin' crazy!
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Re: Curiosity Mission: NASA covers up proof of alien civilization on Mars
« Reply #702 on: December 02, 2012, 06:58:39 am »

There are issues with having an economy where some things are post-scarcity and some things aren't. coughcoughinternetpiracycoughcough
Not sure where you're going with this, but if the end result is space pirates, count me in. Yarr.
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Re: Curiosity Mission: NASA covers up proof of alien civilization on Mars
« Reply #703 on: December 02, 2012, 07:07:39 am »

No one is afraid they'll crash that asteroid in Earth? Or the weapon potential of controlling a huge rock above our heads?

Sure it's really awesome... But a bit crazy too. I really need to write a sci-fi novel where a mining corp decide the best way to make money is actually to ransom Earth with a giant asteroid.
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Re: Curiosity Mission: NASA covers up proof of alien civilization on Mars
« Reply #704 on: December 02, 2012, 07:33:33 am »

I wonder how many miners will take the leap.
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