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[XXSockXX]

And what says that children must be cared for by women as opposed to men?

In mammals - nutrition in the first months at least. The rest is negotiable obviously, as many animals demonstrate. However there is also attachment to children that females exhibit more than males, after all a female can always tell that a child is hers, while males cannot. (I'm still talking about animals of course, but I think some of these instincts remain intact in human primates.)
To make it more specific about humans: no female has ever heard the words "I hope it's yours".

[Vector]

Yeah, let's elide those transgender people again...

[XXSockXX]

Yeah, let's elide those transgender people again...

Actually this debate somehow started with someone thinking that transgender was just a way to circumvent social expectations, because there was no psychological difference between genders. Which I answered by saying that I think there is one.
So we were not eliding (had to look that up in a dictionary) transgender people...

[Xantalos]

Bay12, you're being smart in the stupid thread again.

[Loud Whispers]

elide

You'd think the stupid thread wouldn't see such multifarious vocabulary.

[Putnam]

uh uh uh

POLYSYLLABLES!

[Oliolli]

Attraction is sexual orientation based only...

So romantic asexuals don't exist?

BRB, rethinking my identity.

[Karnewarrior]

Bay12, you're being smart in the stupid thread again.

This is how Bay 12 holds a flame war.

With civil discourse and premeditated facts (usually not involving ones Female ancestry)

Yeah, let's elide those transgender people again...

This phrase made me wonder: Are we considering Transgenders to change Sex or Gender? Basically, is a MtF Trans identify as a Female or as a girl?

For me it's obviously as a girl since Sex is defined by what, if anything, is hanging between your legs and Gender is a internal concept of self but some people may have different opinions or have never heard of the difference before.

[kaijyuu]

This phrase made me wonder: Are we considering Transgenders to change Sex or Gender? Basically, is a MtF Trans identify as a Female or as a girl?

For me it's obviously as a girl since Sex is defined by what, if anything, is hanging between your legs and Gender is a internal concept of self but some people may have different opinions or have never heard of the difference before.

"Female" and "girl" are equivalent synonyms as far as I know.

Anywho the standard definitions are as you say:

Gender: Mental identity.
Sex: Physical attributes.

A "transgender" person rejects the gender they're assigned to by others and exhibits the one they actually are.
A "transsexual" person is someone who's got the sex reassignment surgery and thus has the physical traits match up with their gender (where possible).

[Devling]

That... Actually clears up a lot kaijyuu. Now I feel kind of dumb. 

[GlyphGryph]

I'm not sure if this was posted, but here's Gabe's most recent comment on the thing that I /think/ the current conversation is a continuation of:
"I’ve spent the last few days trying to apologize to people I hurt. I’ve been doing it via email and I’ve given out my phone number a lot. I realize I was wrong and I’m genuinely sorry. I also realize I can’t possibly apologize on the phone to each and every person I hurt. I’m going to keep trying, but I’ve also decided to personally make a donation to the Trevor Project of $20,000.00. I also plan to keep interacting with people on a personal level and I understand that will be an ongoing process. In the meantime I’m hoping this donation will do some real good for a group that desperately needs it.

-Gabe"

[kaijyuu]

Link so ya'll know the above is genuine


Like I said, he wasn't a bigot, just ignorant. And has now been educated.

I'm happy this discourse happened. It probably brought the issue to a lot of people's attention who were also ignorant.

Cheers to Mr. Krahulik.

[SealyStar]

Link so ya'll know the above is genuine


Like I said, he wasn't a bigot, just ignorant. And has now been educated.

I'm happy this discourse happened. It probably brought the issue to a lot of people's attention who were also ignorant.

Cheers to Mr. Krahulik.

What did he do that offended people?

[penguinofhonor]

This:

I generally don't talk about internet celebrities and their gaffs, but I felt this one interesting enough to point out:

http://www.penny-arcade.com/2013/06/21/well-that-escalated-quickly


I do not believe Mr. Krahulik is a bigot, just ignorant. When someone says something as monumentally stupid as "[only] women have vaginas and [only] men have a penis" they're either ignorant or transphobic. There's no real room for anything else. Mr. Krahulik does not really strike me as transphobic so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and just assume he's ignorant.

People did jump on him with righteous fury a little too quickly before he made that statement, but perhaps it turned out okay since it brought the issue to light. More people need to know that what you have between your legs is not necessarily indicative of your gender. A game about female masturbation can certainly only include vaginas; I'm on Mr. Krahulik's side there. But other women exist.


Also, I should note that that post is probably one of the closest to an apology the guy has ever given. Aside from that one time he plagiarized someone's drawing of rocks, I don't think he's ever made such a... regretful? post.

[Criptfeind]

I think that misses the very start, but I don't know for sure. Best of my knowledge. He was defending a game about female masturbation, and when people said that it should have dicks he said it shouldn't because it's about female masturbation and thus didn't need dicks because, that.

Of course, that's not the actual quote, depending on the exact wording and context I think it could range from malicious to really... Understandable.