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[MrRoboto75]

Does the phrase as illustrated by the band name describe the pumpkins as being of an excellent quality, or does it describe an act of violence upon pumpkins?

or C) They are pumpkins that regularly smash things.

[methylatedspirit]

Do you have issues with sentence termination when they end in a quote (and the quote itself ends), especially if the end quote uses different punctuation from the sentence it's embedded in? For instance:

You ever say, "Embrace nihilism today!"?

This example is contrived, yes. I've never said this sentence to anyone, and I doubt you'll be going out of your way to say this. The way I write tends to make this a problem. Omitting "!" would mangle the quote, but omitting "?" would mangle the question.

How would you resolve something like this, short of rearranging the sentence to avoid this unsightly punctuation-stacking?

Also, this is more a problem of thinking like a parser, but:

I'm an idiot, I say shit like "this'll work first time, I swear!".
Inevitably, it doesn't.

I think convention would allow you to omit the full stop, but when I do that, I just see:

stdin:1:75: error: expected end-of-sentence before start-of-sentence token
    1 |  I'm an idiot, I say shit like "this'll work first time, I swear!"
      |                                                                   ^
      |                                                        <end-of-sentence token>
    2 | Inevitably, it doesn't.
      | ~

[dragdeler]

a

[EuchreJack]

Do you have issues with sentence termination when they end in a quote (and the quote itself ends), especially if the end quote uses different punctuation from the sentence it's embedded in?

Yes, it is actually the bane of my existence.  Try two sentences.  Put the quote into a statement, then follow with a question.

I heard that you said "Embrace nihilism today!"  Is that true?

The rule is clearer with sentences that end with period, as you can omit the period.

[scriver]

I find stacking punctuation the better solution, even adding dots behind !"s and ?"s, even if it goes against what I learned in school. Punctuation exist to communicate tone and structure and this means the need to communicate the tone and structure of your words needs to be communicated if they are different from the inflection of the quote.

My realmost issues lie with the including of dots and commas from outside of the context of quotes with  the quotation marks though. That is just wrong no matter what they say.

[EuchreJack]

I find stacking punctuation the better solution, even adding dots behind !"s and ?"s, even if it goes against what I learned in school. Punctuation exist to communicate tone and structure and this means the need to communicate the tone and structure of your words needs to be communicated if they are different from the inflection of the quote.

My realmost issues lie with the including of dots and commas from outside of the context of quotes with  the quotation marks though. That is just wrong no matter what they say.

Agree to disagree on the first part.

As for the second, could you provide an example?  My brain isn't wrapping around it, and I'm trying to write better.

[Bumber]

"Agree to disagree on the first part," said EuchreJack.

[Scoops Novel]

Whats the exact opposite of lame? Its not spry, in the semantic sense. Its supposed to capture incapable rather then unfunctional.

[EuchreJack]

Frantic

[scriver]

I find stacking punctuation the better solution, even adding dots behind !"s and ?"s, even if it goes against what I learned in school. Punctuation exist to communicate tone and structure and this means the need to communicate the tone and structure of your words needs to be communicated if they are different from the inflection of the quote.

My realmost issues lie with the including of dots and commas from outside of the context of quotes with  the quotation marks though. That is just wrong no matter what they say.

Agree to disagree on the first part.

As for the second, could you provide an example?  My brain isn't wrapping around it, and I'm trying to write better.

"Agree to disagree on the first part," said EuchreJack.

See Bumber's words. The proper way to write it is to have the comma inside the quote, which I dislike because the  context of the comma is outside of the quote, to communicate the flow of the full sentence and things that while connected to the quote (who said it) is not of the quote itself -- Eucrejack doesn't end his sentences with comma pauses, the comma pause is in how the sentence flows to distinguish pause and continuation between the the quoted part from the "said-jack" part. Therefore it feeld natural to me that the comma should be written outside of the quote marks.

But the Man do not agree.

[dragdeler]

a

[Egan_BW]

putting punctuation inside of quotes or outside adds information. If it's just "always put it on this end" then that's a missed opportunity, isn't it?

[dragdeler]

a

[scriver]

putting punctuation inside of quotes or outside adds information. If it's just "always put it on this end" then that's a missed opportunity, isn't it?

Yeah, but like dragdeler says it's the rule that says "always put it inside the quote at the end of quotations"

It gets even worse because if you interfix a "said X" in the middle of a sentence within commas, the "correct" way to do it is to put the comma inside the quotation marks at the end of the quote but then outside of the quotation marks at the end of the next sentence before the quote resumes (iirc), like: "I do like cookies," said scriver, "but I like buns too."

[EuchreJack]

Yeah, I agree with scriver.  That "proper" way is a misquote.  It doesn't exactly convey what was said.  It lies.