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[pisskop]

Before heading out this morning, I ran a little experiment via the arena.  I took 200 humans and gave them toad leather down the board.  I then gave 50 an iron Lsword and 50 a 2h iron sword.

In another section I gave 50 Lsworders a wooden shield, keeping the 2h-ers the same...

The 2h-ers won.  Even moreso with the shielded group.  I have yet to pop metal armour, but Is multigrasp better offensively?  What about overall?

I did a quick forum search but saw no obvious threads on this.

[Askot Bokbondeler]

ptw

[Greiger]

Multigrasp is a little better offensively, they are usually more powerful weapons.  But they are much worse defensively.  Multigrasp removes your ability to block dragonfire completely(which is a major disadvantage vs dragons), and makes it much easier for archers to hit you, as well as making you slightly more vulnerable in melee as well.  If you pit 50 sword and boarders and 50 two handers vs 50 archers, or a few dragons(especially dragons), the sword and boarders will probably have fewer casualties or last longer.

It's pretty much a style for folks who believe offense is the best defense.  But against firebreathers or archers, you might want to try to get your friends companions meatshields to go in first.  In my own experience, a dragon breathing fire (not even necessarily at you) when you have no shield is almost certain death.

[DavionFuxa]

Two Handed Weapons also have other advantages as well. Besides the extra damage you inflict, you can also move into a wrestling move with a free hand as well.

Just note that Greiger is quite correct in that you lose out defensively against ranged typed attacks, and in Melee, you might want a shield to guard against more dangerous attacks as well - Whips for example.

[pisskop]

I tested iron armour, same conditions(includ. w/w/out shield.)

unless the shield/armour is of inferior quality Lswords undeniably win.

bah, I suppose spears would prove the same.

[Replica]

Statistically speaking vanilla multigrasp weapons are better than singlegrasp since they all hit a bit harder.

Practically it depends on the enemy and fighting arena.
Like Greiger said singlegrasp + shield units will obviously survive longer against ranged units and dragons than multigrasp units.

It's a "Glass cannons vs tanks with peashooters and rubber chickens" discussion.

[Monk321654]

I believe the term you're looking for is Glass Cannon versus Stone Wall.

[Gizogin]

Multigrasp is better if the weapon requires it.  Otherwise, I don't think there's any advantage to multigrasping a one-handed weapon.

Also, you can multigrasp slabs and beat people with them.

[Replica]

I believe the term you're looking for is Glass Cannon versus Stone Wall.

I thought it was an accurate comparison.

Longswords kill, Haleberds sever upper and lower bodies in one swing.

[pisskop]

What abour pwnalties?  If I wanted to be a halbred/shield kinda guy?

I do like spears AND not death...


Edit:  Halbreds are not spears.  They level axe skill...

[Facekillz058]

Why this isn't necessarily an answer to the question:
I've noticed that if you get say, a dagger stuck into an enemie, and you go into wrestling and grab the dagger with your spare hand, assuming you have one, the dagger is listed as being held in both your right, and left hands (not technically a multigrasp, but could it act like one?), and the attacks for said dagger appear twice in the attack aiming menu.
Does this affect the daggers power, or does it just take away ones ability to wrestle with the previously free hand until the dagger is released?
My !!Science!! has revealed nothing substantial, perhaps if someone wants to test this?

[Greiger]

That is almost certainly a bug.  There were quite a few longstanding bugs related to grabbing stuckins in the past.  Wouldn't suprise me if that was one that lived the purge.  I would think if it was intentional the game would intelligently switch it to multigrasp. And that extra attack option showing up seems to reinforce it.   

Last I checked though it was impossible to multigrasp one handed weapons.  So maybe there was some code in there to grant that possibility, and still gives the bonus, but has some miner ascetic bugs related to it.  So I wouldn't be opposed to someone trying some science.

What abour pwnalties?  If I wanted to be a halbred/shield kinda guy?

I do like spears AND not death...


Edit:  Halbreds are not spears.  They level axe skill...

Last 'word of god' on the matter was that if your size is less than a weapons [TWO_HANDED:] tag (or the weapons [TWO_HANDED:] tag = 0, but that bit no longer seems functional) using the weapon with less than 2 free grasps reduced all damage by 1/2.   This was pre-materiel rewrite, but experience seems to indicate that is more or less still the case with recent versions.  Probably replacing 'damage' with striking force.

[weedeat]

I've been wondering this myself. Awhile back I played a pikeman human multigrasp, and found that the piercing effect was more or less the same as a singlegrasp spear. There were some instances of severing hands and feet with stabs, but otherwise fairly the same damage output while sacrificing what I see to be a huge advantage. In the current version, dragons and archers are THE most deadly enemies. Using a shield in combat negates most attacks, and is a great skill for attribute boosting. Granted, using a better multigrasp like the greataxe or 2-handed sword makes a bigger difference than pike/spear, but in my experience, you can still get mortal wounds easily with singlegrasps.

Yeah overall I'd have to say that singlegrasps w/ shield is better, but even if you want to multigrasp, carry a decent shield to pull out in situations that call for it. Might as well equip it to train while you're boosting dodging and armor anyway

[misko27]

Arena says single with shield is better, by a long shot. Armorless, it was closer, but with armor, the dwarves trained up cause the fight took a while, which made shield more valuable.

[Zaqew]

Maybe make a large 2h sword (like the ones in final fantasy) and wear very dragonfire-proof gloves to hold the handle while being seared by a dragon.