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Kogan Loloklam

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Re: Romney should step aside.
« Reply #30 on: July 18, 2012, 10:14:54 am »

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The US 2 party system has the party canadates chosen at their respective party conventions. The state "Primaries" are actually about picking people to vote in your name at these conventions for the presidential nominee of that party. Just like that zaney electorial college stuff, these people are generally contracturally obligated to vote as their citizens expect. I'm not sure what would happen if there was a mass rebellion, if the votes would count even though the law was broken to do so, but that's a moot point. The point is that it's never been a states game, but a delegate game. This is why Ron Paul keeps insisting he'd win in the primary, and why escaped-from-a-sanitorium and the Grench stuck it out so long.

Enter the Romney. Romney is having a hard time pulling ahead from Obama. He has almost no lead amongst educated independants. Uncommited independants say that some things the Corporate canadate can be proven to have done would make a great deal of difference in choosing who to vote for, in a very negative way. In paticular issue is Bain and Taxes. Bain represents what is wrong with american investment banks. His  saving grace is that is how a lot of people retire nowadays. He fails to understand though that most people who consider themselves "middle class" aren't in the income bracket he is targetting. He really fails to understand the true extent of "working poor" in this country or that the division between working poor and middle class is a small amount of money relative to what he earns. This disconnect creeps into all his discussion on growing the economy. He casually throws around plans that helps big business grow that do not offer hope for the people in the real middle class to have breathing room to fit their own plans for starting a business out there.

What Romney does have is rediculous amounts of money and a weak opponent. All he really has to do is prove he won't eat your babies and he's a shoe-in. With all his money this should be easy. The problem is he has no natural charisma. He fails every attempt at spinning things into positives for him. Romney is only ahead by the dislike for obama. The same people who dislike obama with Romney will dislike him with someone else. The Republicans say anyone but Obama. If they are serious about it, they should Replace Romney with someone who can get in dependants on his side.

Maybe the Mayor of Talkeetna, Ak should through his hat in the ring.

Seriously though. The Republican nomination isn't official until the convention. Romney can step down and Obama's expendatures to attack him would all be wasted, but the same isn't true the other way.
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Re: Romney should step aside.
« Reply #31 on: July 18, 2012, 10:25:51 am »

Romney is a bit of a weak candidate but face it, he's the best the GOP has at this point.  You saw the clown show that was the republican primaries, he looked like Cicero in comparison to them.  And Obama isn't really a weak candidate at all.  Poll after poll has shown for years that people just plain like the guy.  His favoribility numbers aren't at the shoe-in range but they do indicate that he is probably a slight favorite.  And if you look at the polls... he's a slight favorite.  Really this isn't all that weird a race.  Generally speaking US presidents have good odds of getting reelected unless the situation has totally gone to bollocks.  Truman got re-elected.  Bush Jr. got re-elected.  The economy right now is disappointing but not the worst ever.  Pretty much everything is as you'd expect it.
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Re: Romney should step aside.
« Reply #32 on: July 18, 2012, 11:05:22 am »

Kinda what I was going to say, Mainiac (Never thought I'd say that).

If Romney has a hard time connecting with the masses, then the other candidates had a terribad time connecting with the masses. There's really no other candidate that could pop up, win the primary, and beat Obama in one fell swoop. The Republicans are committed, Romney's committed, and having him step aside would create too much chaos and practically hand the election to the Democrats. The GOP isn't quite that desperate.

And, looking at some of the other candidates that ran in the Primaries, things over at the Republican party could be a lot worse.
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Re: Romney should step aside.
« Reply #33 on: July 18, 2012, 12:33:04 pm »

All you really have to do is put "RomneyCare" right alongside "ObamaCare." Seriously, here is exactly how Obama could win this election:

"Thank you for handing me my health care bill Mr. Romney. I got my inspiration from you." ~ Obama if he's smart.

[brief cricket sounds followed by conservative shouts of "betrayal" and Romney being tarred and feathered.]

With how pissed off the right wing is about this health care bill, that would be the wooden stake through Romney's heart and the death blow of all death blows. It amazes me that they haven't just aired clips of Romney as a governor advocating pretty much exactly what the "dreaded" health care bill is.

I think the phrase "flip flopper" killed John Kerry in the election. This guy flops like crazy. If your opposition's support hates you, make your opposition seem too similar to you. Frankly I think if Obama does it with a wink the liberals will pick up on the joke like Steven Colbert, while the right shall froth at the mouth, much as they recently did with the Chief Justice of SCOTUS.
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Re: Romney should step aside.
« Reply #34 on: July 18, 2012, 12:48:49 pm »

Maybe he is saving it up for after the official GOP nomination thing?  Can't KO your opponent before they are officially named the enemy... The stand-in might do a better job of rallying the conservatives...
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Re: Romney should step aside.
« Reply #35 on: July 18, 2012, 12:49:56 pm »

What are they going to do, throw him out of the party and make Ron Paul their candidate?
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Re: Romney should step aside.
« Reply #36 on: July 18, 2012, 02:00:13 pm »

Romney's dog.
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Re: Romney should step aside.
« Reply #37 on: July 18, 2012, 02:06:11 pm »

A cute dog running for president? Slightly less ridiculous than some of the other candidates! *ba dum tish*
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Re: Romney should step aside.
« Reply #38 on: July 18, 2012, 05:14:10 pm »

I think the phrase "flip flopper" killed John Kerry in the election. This guy flops like crazy.

He flops so much hes actually a flop flipper.
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Re: Romney should step aside.
« Reply #39 on: July 18, 2012, 08:04:30 pm »

Bush Jr. got re-elected. 

Ahehe, no, no he didn't, but I guess that's beside the point. You're right, I'm in all probability not far from believing Obama will be re-elected because presidents have a good chance of doing so when a party and individuals who will suffer more from the opposite party will likely vote for them otherwise.

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Re: Romney should step aside.
« Reply #40 on: July 18, 2012, 09:06:32 pm »

Bush Jr. got re-elected. 

Ahehe, no, no he didn't, but I guess that's beside the point.
Then who was president from 2004-2008?
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Re: Romney should step aside.
« Reply #41 on: July 18, 2012, 09:10:37 pm »

The small cute dog?
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Re: Romney should step aside.
« Reply #42 on: July 18, 2012, 10:47:23 pm »

All you really have to do is put "RomneyCare" right alongside "ObamaCare." Seriously, here is exactly how Obama could win this election:

"Thank you for handing me my health care bill Mr. Romney. I got my inspiration from you." ~ Obama if he's smart.

Obama already played that card during some speech when Romney started doing well in the Primaries (If I remember the timing correctly). Romney basically said, "It was good for Massachusetts at the time", and the rest of the Republican party (Those not campaigning against him, at least) gave a resounding shrug of indifference. It was overall rather odd, and I'm not sure why it didn't become such a big deal as it did once the President tried playing it in his favor. Whether or not it affected most independents remains to be seen, but it hasn't seemed like it. Romney's been the most consistent Republican candidate as far as the polls go.

I would not be surprised if Obama tried it again, though not quite in the same way he did before. If they have a debate, Obama will definitely take the chance to try to throw Romney off, but Romney won't to go to any debate unprepared for that particular question. I don't see it making as huge a difference as, say, one of McCain's old employees accusing him of sexual harassment.
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Re: Romney should step aside.
« Reply #43 on: July 18, 2012, 10:59:03 pm »

Bush Jr. got re-elected. 

Ahehe, no, no he didn't, but I guess that's beside the point.
Then who was president from 2004-2008?

He isn't saying he wasn't president during the term, just that he was appointed president rather than elected. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_v._Gore
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Re: Romney should step aside.
« Reply #44 on: July 18, 2012, 11:10:37 pm »

He did pretty clearly win the 2004 election though.
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