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[ggamer]

I've sent out a few pm's to a few people, in case they want to continue this in private.

I'm going to go ahead and leave this thread now.

[Cthulhu]

So I get up this morning and check out The Worst Forum in the World, and look what thread I find!  And you even got to meet LoveInVein, Mr. Black People are Genetically Incapable of Maintaining a Functioning Society and Miscegenation is Destroying the White Race!

On topic, I take the same standpoint on this as I do on the She Was Askin' For It Defense.  If a (gay guy hitting on you/girl provocatively dressed) provokes a (homicidal rage/rapacious frenzy) then, regardless of their role in causing you to act that way, there's something seriously wrong with you and you should be put somewhere secure before your lack of inhibitions causes someone harm.

For those outside The Worst Forum in the World,someone posted a copy-paste of Jackrabbit's OP, and the thread was immediately invaded by LoveInVein, this time arguing that the Gay Panic Defense is okay because killing a guy in response to homosexual advances is not premeditated, and therefore not murder.  I'm pretty sure that's wrong anyway, you could definitely make a case that it was still done with malice.  Like I said above, if The Gay provokes a hysterical panic wherein you kill a guy, you're not fit to participate in mainstream society

[Duuvian]

I'm straight and I think people ought to be able to do what they want. I highly doubt the gay rights movement will get so aggressive that I'd have to start self defense knife stabbing. Therefore I tried to sign this petition but unfortunately my browser had javascript problems (firefox hates gays)

[Zangi]

I hear this is a valid defense... in some places... Queensland is just trying to emulate that.

[DarkWolfXV]

Its so bad to kill people because they are homosexual, just shows how morbid and cruel the human is. From all animals in the our lovely world, we are the only animals to kill without true reason. Animals kill for food, not because someone is other. They dont care.
Faith in humanity just got lowered even more. Honestly there is little of it left because of Poland, how i hate current state of Poland ^{_{yes this is another attempt to rant about Poland, yes i mad.}}

[kaijyuu]

From all animals in the our lovely world, we are the only animals to kill without true reason.

Dolphins kill for sport. They also gang rape.


We're not alone in the unbridled malice

[ggamer]

We are the only animals to kill without reason.

Except for the animals that kill for no reason.

#angstfail (jk, jk)

[MetalSlimeHunt]

So I get up this morning and check out The Worst Forum in the World, and look what thread I find!

What is this forum and why is it the worst in the world? It's no Bay 12, but I read a few threads and didn't see anything out of the ordinary.

[King DZA]

Its so bad to kill people because they are homosexual, just shows how morbid and cruel the human is.

It's funny how people never seem to notice that humanity's ability to recognize and lament over how horrible it can be at times is in fact proof of its remarkably high morality.

[Neonivek]

For those outside The Worst Forum in the World,someone posted a copy-paste of Jackrabbit's OP, and the thread was immediately invaded by LoveInVein, this time arguing that the Gay Panic Defense is okay because killing a guy in response to homosexual advances is not premeditated, and therefore not murder.  I'm pretty sure that's wrong anyway, you could definitely make a case that it was still done with malice.  Like I said above, if The Gay provokes a hysterical panic wherein you kill a guy, you're not fit to participate in mainstream society

Actually what he says makes perfect sense. Afterall if you were so offended by a gay man hitting on you that you went into a blind rage and murdered the person on the spot.. of course it wasn't premeditated murder (First Degree).

So yeah what he said is perfectly sensible. What isn't however is that he sort of misunderstood what the law is about.

I think what he is argueing against is for example "Hate crimes" where they will upgrade the severity of a crime just because of its basis ("Ohh you punched a minority because you hate them? well we are now going to punish you as if this was a severe life threatening assault") Which are also a weird law.

This law however isn't that but I don't understand it fully. In fact lets start with this.

What EXACTLY is the Gay Panic defense? Is it something that transforms second degree murder into Manslaughter? What is Australian Manslaughter?

I mean, if I was thrown into a blind rage and killed someone in Australia, would that be Manslaughter or Second Degree Murder?

(Also before anyone is offended, I should state that I prefer to understand before I condemn.)

[penguinofhonor]

I think what he is argueing against is for example "Hate crimes" where they will upgrade the severity of a crime just because of its basis ("Ohh you punched a minority because you hate them? well we are now going to punish you as if this was a severe life threatening assault") Which are also a weird law.

Hate crimes exist because violent crimes against minorities are a very effective way of terrorizing entire communities. It's a kind of fear that the privileged are pretty much completely unfamiliar with, but something that they need to understand.

Some guy got stabbed a couple blocks from my house a few years back. No big deal, I make an effort not to piss anyone off who would kill me. But if I were black and the guy got killed because he was black, I'd realize that there really isn't a way to avoid pissing of people who will kill me for it. The harm done by the crime is more severe.

[MrWiggles]

The gay panic defense, says that you were so shocked and outraged (and turned on) by being hit on or had sex with the same gender or transgender person that you were so compelled to murder them, and due to that impassion state you were temporarily insane and therefore did not commit murder.

[kaijyuu]

Which makes about as much sense as being shocked and outraged by someone's hairstyle.

[Neonivek]

I think what he is argueing against is for example "Hate crimes" where they will upgrade the severity of a crime just because of its basis ("Ohh you punched a minority because you hate them? well we are now going to punish you as if this was a severe life threatening assault") Which are also a weird law.

Hate crimes exist because violent crimes against minorities are a very effective way of terrorizing entire communities. It's a kind of fear that the privileged are pretty much completely unfamiliar with, but something that they need to understand.

Some guy got stabbed a couple blocks from my house a few years back. No big deal, I make an effort not to piss anyone off who would kill me. But if I were black and the guy got killed because he was black, I'd realize that there really isn't a way to avoid pissing of people who will kill me for it. The harm done by the crime is more severe.

Actually I question even that explanation as more of a reasoning that came forth because of its existance. Remember hate crimes do not cut evenly nor are they crimes in it of themselves (they simply upgrade ordinary crimes to greater offenses)

It hardly matters to me anyway. Hate Crimes to me sort of exist to be taken down, though I wonder if people remember that. Then again I believe I live somewhere without hate crime designation.

The gay panic defense, says that you were so shocked and outraged (and turned on) by being hit on or had sex with the same gender or transgender person that you were so compelled to murder them, and due to that impassion state you were temporarily insane and therefore did not commit murder

So Second Degree to Manslaughter? Which is odd given that "Pure unadulterated Anger" tends to get second degree.

So I am guessing that are putting it on equal footing as killing someone who just murdered your family, tripped down the stairs, and fell unconscious (meaning he was harmless at the time)?

[Reudh]

I think what he is argueing against is for example "Hate crimes" where they will upgrade the severity of a crime just because of its basis ("Ohh you punched a minority because you hate them? well we are now going to punish you as if this was a severe life threatening assault") Which are also a weird law.

Hate crimes exist because violent crimes against minorities are a very effective way of terrorizing entire communities. It's a kind of fear that the privileged are pretty much completely unfamiliar with, but something that they need to understand.

Some guy got stabbed a couple blocks from my house a few years back. No big deal, I make an effort not to piss anyone off who would kill me. But if I were black and the guy got killed because he was black, I'd realize that there really isn't a way to avoid pissing of people who will kill me for it. The harm done by the crime is more severe.

Actually I question even that explanation as more of a reasoning that came forth because of its existance. Remember hate crimes do not cut evenly nor are they crimes in it of themselves (they simply upgrade ordinary crimes to greater offenses)

It hardly matters to me anyway. Hate Crimes to me sort of exist to be taken down, though I wonder if people remember that. Then again I believe I live somewhere without hate crime designation.

The gay panic defense, says that you were so shocked and outraged (and turned on) by being hit on or had sex with the same gender or transgender person that you were so compelled to murder them, and due to that impassion state you were temporarily insane and therefore did not commit murder

So Second Degree to Manslaughter? Which is odd given that "Pure unadulterated Anger" tends to get second degree.

So I am guessing that are putting it on equal footing as killing someone who just murdered your family, tripped down the stairs, and fell unconscious (meaning he was harmless at the time)?

By the way, is attacking someone because they have red hair a hate crime? I think so. Victoria Police thought so. 90% of the population don't seem to.