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Author Topic: SCIENCE, Gravitational waves, and the whole LIGO OST!  (Read 516193 times)

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Re: SCIENCE and the Higgs!
« Reply #60 on: July 05, 2012, 10:04:14 pm »

There is no evidence of black holes being infinitely small (in fact, they actually grow as they absorb more stuff).
Just a note on this:

The event horizon grows. The distance between the center and the "point of no return, even for light" is what gets bigger. No one knows what it "looks like" inside a black hole, but whether it's a point of singularity or a REALLY compressed (but not infinitely small) hunk of matter wouldn't result in any difference in behavior.
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Re: SCIENCE and the Higgs!
« Reply #61 on: July 05, 2012, 10:04:26 pm »

So, if there is a Higgs-Boson field spread out through the entire universe, are they spread evenly, or at random, or some other third option that I didn't think of?
There the higgs boson, and then there the higgs field, where the higgs boson propagates and interacts. Its uniform, and everywhere.
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Re: SCIENCE and the Higgs!
« Reply #62 on: July 05, 2012, 10:06:15 pm »

So, it's the aether.
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Re: SCIENCE and the Higgs!
« Reply #63 on: July 05, 2012, 10:08:07 pm »

The event horizon grows. The distance between the center and the "point of no return, even for light" is what gets bigger. No one knows what it "looks like" inside a black hole, but whether it's a point of singularity or a REALLY compressed (but not infinitely small) hunk of matter wouldn't result in any difference in behavior.
I doubt it would look like anything. It is a gravitational singularity. A place where space-time has ceased to exist.
So, it's the aether.
Looks like the Greeks were onto something after all.
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Re: SCIENCE and the Higgs!
« Reply #64 on: July 05, 2012, 10:14:42 pm »

Hey guys, discussion about faster than light travel is over. Someone's set up an orange portal on Earth and a blue portal on the Sun.

Kidding, of course, but that's another incredibly cool science discovery. Higgs Boson AND real portals around Earth? Science is awesome!
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Re: SCIENCE and the Higgs!
« Reply #65 on: July 05, 2012, 10:15:47 pm »

So, it's the aether.
Ehh... I suppose.

So, it's the aether.
Looks like the Greeks were onto something after all.

In as much as, Phrenology was on to something.
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Re: SCIENCE and the Higgs!
« Reply #66 on: July 05, 2012, 10:20:57 pm »

So, it's the aether.
Looks like the Greeks were onto something after all.

In as much as, Phrenology was on to something.
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Re: SCIENCE and the Higgs!
« Reply #67 on: July 05, 2012, 11:19:06 pm »

So, if there is a Higgs-Boson field spread out through the entire universe, are they spread evenly, or at random, or some other third option that I didn't think of?
There the higgs boson, and then there the higgs field, where the higgs boson propagates and interacts. Its uniform, and everywhere.
Sooo...is there any hypothetical way to interact with the Higgs field?
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Re: SCIENCE and the Higgs!
« Reply #68 on: July 05, 2012, 11:23:06 pm »

So, if there is a Higgs-Boson field spread out through the entire universe, are they spread evenly, or at random, or some other third option that I didn't think of?
There the higgs boson, and then there the higgs field, where the higgs boson propagates and interacts. Its uniform, and everywhere.
Sooo...is there any hypothetical way to interact with the Higgs field?
Given that we can observe it, maybe there's some sort of quantum thingamawhatsit that'll change stuff?  </uninformed>
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Re: SCIENCE and the Higgs!
« Reply #69 on: July 05, 2012, 11:28:07 pm »

So, if there is a Higgs-Boson field spread out through the entire universe, are they spread evenly, or at random, or some other third option that I didn't think of?
There the higgs boson, and then there the higgs field, where the higgs boson propagates and interacts. Its uniform, and everywhere.
Sooo...is there any hypothetical way to interact with the Higgs field?
Only experimentation will tell from here I think.
Raising fist and yelling HIGGGGGSSSSSS!!!! doesn't work. 
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Re: SCIENCE and the Higgs!
« Reply #70 on: July 05, 2012, 11:30:23 pm »

So, if there is a Higgs-Boson field spread out through the entire universe, are they spread evenly, or at random, or some other third option that I didn't think of?
There the higgs boson, and then there the higgs field, where the higgs boson propagates and interacts. Its uniform, and everywhere.
Sooo...is there any hypothetical way to interact with the Higgs field?
Given that we can observe it, maybe there's some sort of quantum thingamawhatsit that'll change stuff?  </uninformed>

Well, we interact with it continuously, it what gives us our mass. Now, if you meant novel means to manipulate the higgs field. Uhh, current understanding says no. I dont particularly buy this. Each further understanding of underlying physics have open us a host of novel applications, through clever engineering. I couldnt tell you, what these application will be. Maybe having a finer understanding of mass and energy will be the lynch pin to make a net positive fusion reactor.
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Re: SCIENCE and the Higgs!
« Reply #71 on: July 05, 2012, 11:34:37 pm »

I am disappointed by the lack of Bill Nye in this thread.
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Re: SCIENCE and the Higgs!
« Reply #72 on: July 05, 2012, 11:37:17 pm »

So, if there is a Higgs-Boson field spread out through the entire universe, are they spread evenly, or at random, or some other third option that I didn't think of?
There the higgs boson, and then there the higgs field, where the higgs boson propagates and interacts. Its uniform, and everywhere.
Sooo...is there any hypothetical way to interact with the Higgs field?
Given that we can observe it, maybe there's some sort of quantum thingamawhatsit that'll change stuff?  </uninformed>

Well, we interact with it continuously, it what gives us our mass. Now, if you meant novel means to manipulate the higgs field. Uhh, current understanding says no. I dont particularly buy this. Each further understanding of underlying physics have open us a host of novel applications, through clever engineering. I couldnt tell you, what these application will be. Maybe having a finer understanding of mass and energy will be the lynch pin to make a net positive fusion reactor.
Well, I'm thinking that we should next figure out if the Higgs field can be manipulated via gravity or somesuch. If we can do that, we should observe whether or not the Higgs field wants to remain uniform. If that's the case...we can build giant gravitic slingshots ala the Mass Effect.
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Re: SCIENCE and the Higgs!
« Reply #73 on: July 05, 2012, 11:40:03 pm »

Fun stuffs about event horizon "crossing" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Event_horizon#Interacting_with_an_event_horizon


Finding the Higgs itself won't lead to technological breakthroughs. What will lead to those are the discoveries resulting from finding how it changes the Standard Model and our overall understanding of the way the universe works. After all, you must remember a huge majority of the mass in the universe is currently unaccounted for in theories. Dark matter will probably be some rather mundane substance with weak interaction, but the dark energy causing the acceleration in the universe's expansion has the potential to be something really REALLY interesting. Seeing as the Higgs is responsible for mass, it has a good chance of clarifying matters regarding one or both of those. It's sort of a wedge to poke at the theory and find cracks leading to entirely new discoveries which for all we know will make quantum mechanics look mundane.
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Re: SCIENCE and the Higgs!
« Reply #74 on: July 06, 2012, 12:03:17 am »

I like that. I want humanity to realize collectively how pants-shittingly, intensely disturbing the vast intricacy of the universe is.
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