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GreatWyrmGold

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Re: [i]The Hobbit[/i] as main influence over DF
« Reply #15 on: July 05, 2012, 04:13:36 pm »

The concept of dwarves embarking to reclaim a mountain hall, full of treasure, that was previously lost, is probably one that made it through.

And let's not forget digging too greedily and too deep, although that's not really featured in The Hobbit.

Huh... thinking about it, those dwarves have similar luck to the dwarves in DF. Always tempting the wrath of some monstrous entity that breaks the mountainhome.
Not enough magma, tantrums, or cats; too much magma. Yup, DF dwarves have it worse, although their lot is better than that of 40k squats...

I'm not seeing the overlap between Tolkien and Snow White.
Snow White, being one of Grimm's more popular fairy tales, is one of the few well-known fantasy works to predate Tolkein. (And didn't Tolkein have the seven dwarf lords or somesuch?)
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Re: [i]The Hobbit[/i] as main influence over DF
« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2012, 04:27:16 am »

I'm not seeing the overlap between Tolkien and Snow White.
Snow White, being one of Grimm's more popular fairy tales, is one of the few well-known fantasy works to predate Tolkein. (And didn't Tolkein have the seven dwarf lords or somesuch?)
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He did actually, though as is pointed out this is one of the few cases where it is Tolkein having a bit of somebody else in his story as opposed to somebody else having a bit of him in their story.

Also it is awesome how DF tends to take accepted notions about fantasy and turn them on it's head. I mean this is still the only place I've ever heard of elves being cannibals for goodness sake.
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Re: [i]The Hobbit[/i] as main influence over DF
« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2012, 04:52:57 am »

Also it is awesome how DF tends to take accepted notions about fantasy and turn them on it's head. I mean this is still the only place I've ever heard of elves being cannibals for goodness sake.

Wood elves are also cannibals in Bethesda's world, fwiw.
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Pocket_Guide_to_the_Empire,_1st_Edition/Aldmeri_Dominion



"No less abhorrent are the Bosmer than their kin at Summerset, but they are far more cooperative. The Wood Elves love the current human activity because it makes them feel important.

"They are exclusively and religiously carnivorous. They cannot, or will not, eat anything that is plant-based. They eat game, beastfolk, each other, or meats imported from other regions. This part of the Green Pact is known as the Meat Mandate, and, among its other rules, it requires that a fallen enemy must be eaten completely before three days pass. The family members of the warrior that slew the enemy may help him with his meal. Needless to say, the Wood Elves do not like to engage in large battles if they have not undergone a suitable starvation period.

"Though they are excellent archers, the Green Pact forces their bowyers and fletchers to use bone or similar materials, or to buy bows and arrows from other cultures. The use of woodcrafts created by another race is not forbidden, nor is the sale of their own Valenwood timber as long as it is collected by a non-Bosmeri.

"The Wood Elves, of course, cannot smoke anything of a vegetable nature. Bone pipes are common, however, and are filled with caterpillars or tree grubs.

"For a brief time the Colovian armies used Wood Elf archers, as in the War of Rihad two years past. The Bosmer proved to be too undisciplined and prone to desertion for further use. They would sometimes walk into the shade of a single tree and vanish. Their forest-coupling skills are remarkable. The title of their most famous poem, the Meh Ayleidion, means "The One Thousand Benefits of Hiding."

"At the trading posts of the Empire, the Wood Elves become very happy. Some creations of carpentry delight them to no end. Most of it has never occurred to them. They bring their own trade items: hides, river pearls, finger-bone charms made from the still-magically-charged hands of their dead wizards. They often buy woodcrafts that they have no use for or whose use they never bother to find out. Some of the bravest Wood Elven warriors use wagon wheels as shields, or as (they think) impressive headgear.

"While sometimes amusing, the Bosmer have a bestial side. They can resort to animal shapes if they need to, or water. Their most dreaded transformation is the Wild Hunt, which killed King Borgas for the "iniquities" of his Alessian faith. The Wild Hunt is a pack of shifting forest-demons and animal-gods, thousands strong, which sweeps through the countryside killing everything its path. The Wood Elves do not like to talk about the Hunt, and I gather they do not feel proud of this power at all-Gomini, my Bosmer companion of late, tells me that the Hunt is used for justice, but that also, "every monster in the world that has ever been comes from a previous Hunt. Those Bosmer that go Wild, they do not return."

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« Reply #18 on: July 06, 2012, 06:48:30 am »

"While sometimes amusing, the Bosmer have a bestial side. They can resort to animal shapes if they need to, or water. Their most dreaded transformation is the Wild Hunt, which killed King Borgas for the "iniquities" of his Alessian faith. The Wild Hunt is a pack of shifting forest-demons and animal-gods, thousands strong, which sweeps through the countryside killing everything its path. The Wood Elves do not like to talk about the Hunt, and I gather they do not feel proud of this power at all-Gomini, my Bosmer companion of late, tells me that the Hunt is used for justice, but that also, "every monster in the world that has ever been comes from a previous Hunt. Those Bosmer that go Wild, they do not return."

The "wild hunt" is actually an old folk-story that goes quite like described here.
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Re: [i]The Hobbit[/i] as main influence over DF
« Reply #19 on: July 06, 2012, 12:08:11 pm »


The "wild hunt" is actually an old folk-story that goes quite like described here.

Cool, thanks for the link!  I had gotten the impression it had some roots in real folk tales since it appeared in Witcher as well but hadn't gotten around to looking it up yet :)

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Re: [i]The Hobbit[/i] as main influence over DF
« Reply #20 on: July 06, 2012, 06:54:22 pm »

Have you guys missed this one?

"Suddenly there was a great shout, and from the Gate came a trumpet call. They had forgotten Thorin! Part of the wall, moved by levers, fell outward with a crash into the pool. Out leapt the King under the Mountain, and his companions followed him. Hood and cloak were gone; they were in shining armour, and red light leapt from their eyes. In the gloom the great dwarf gleamed like gold in a dying fire."
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