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Black and White 2: Godless Age
« on: June 25, 2012, 07:31:42 pm »

Black and White 2: Godless Age
Prologue: Exodus

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Over a thousand years have passed since the gods warred.  Two rose above all others; Nemesis and the One of Many Names, who did battle upon the ancient isle of Aztlan and sealed the fate of Eden forever.  The One of Many Names triumphed, and in His triumph banished all other gods from the world.  For a time He ruled, then He too passed from the world.

Over a thousand years have passed, and no god hears man's cries now.  Now, as the world crumbles around my ears, I can't help but wonder what my life would have been like if there had been no betrayal, if the Grecian-Egyptian alliance had never crumbled, if the Aztecs had never come...

My name is Euronymous and it is my hope that someone, someday, will read these words.  Even if that someone is you, Tezomoc.  Know that once the Greek city of Athens stood grand and mighty amid the Thousand Islands.  We had dozens of colonies, we traded the breadth and width of Eden and we knew peace - peace backed by strength.

I curse the traitor Nrahotep whose long deceit sundered first his people, then our own.  It was he who opened the gates of Memphis.  It was he who burned the Egyptian fleets, whose assassins murdered our ship captains.  It was he who led the Aztec fleet to crush the remnants of our own navy, who forced us back from our colonies to Athens in defence.

It is he who leads the attack upon us now, and I pray to Zeus that he will be struck down before the dusk comes.  The king is fallen, dead in the first wave of attacks, and so have his heirs fallen also.  The people are looking to me as high priest to defend them, but our hopes are slim.  With no navy to escape this would seem the end, but I place what faith I have left not in Zeus, but in my disciple Demetrios.  Perhaps he may finally be able to open the gate, to take a few of us away from certain doom.

I only hope


Nrahotep withdrew his sword from Euronymous' back and wiped the blade on the priest's robe.  He picked up the note and scanned through the hastily scribbled testament.  Nrahotep crumpled the note in his hand and raised his sword.

"Find the acolyte Demetrios!" he shouted to his men.  "Let's leave these dogs no place to hide!"

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Demetrios frantically checked the alignment of the crystals again.  No change.  Everything was perfectly arranged as the ancient rites called for, but Demetrios was no closer to creating a portal than he was when he had started his idle research five years before.  The rite called upon divine intervention and he had called upon Zeus, upon Ares, even upon Aphrodite and (although he would never tell Euronymous) even upon the pagan names for the Many-Named.  Nothing.  Not so much as a whisper of a divine spark.  Did Zeus truly intend for them to perish this day, or... or was He even listening at all?

Demetrios' thoughts were scattered by the sound of screaming and clanging metal from the temple's outer sanctum.  The Aztecs were here.  He considered trying to scrape together his equipment, but what would be the point?  Instead he raised his pathetic sacrificial dagger in token defiance of the soldiers that would surely burst through the archway.

The fighting continued longer than Demetrios had expected, to the point where his initial flood of adrenaline was fading, replaced by a sense of awkwardness.  Could Thanatos hurry up and claim him already?  The suspense would kill him before the Aztecs did at this rate.

A bloodied figure burst through the doorway, dressed not in the war feathers of Aztlan but the stylised leather armour (and dog-headed helm) of an Egyptian warlord.  He had an obsidian-edged macahiutl in one hand and a broken bronze waraxe in the other, and blood oozed from multiple open wounds.  An arrow shaft was buried deep in his thigh.

"Demetrios," coughed the ragged Egyptian.  "I... I have come to..."

He collapsed.  Demetrios kept his distance, blade raised, then edged forward and gave the body a little kick.  Then he kicked away the two weapons and stood back, possessed of an even greater feeling of awkwardness than before.

Nrahotep the great betrayer, scourge of Egypt and doom of Greece was lying at Demetrios' feet.  The acolyte had to admit to feeling a little underwhelmed and possibly disappointed.  Huh.  I mean; very well done our Greek soldiers, no complaint there, he thought, but I'm pretty sure the epics were quite clear that when your nemesis appears you should have a fight to the death, not that he should basically collapse from injury and exhaustion before he gets within three paces of you.

Demetrios gave the body another kick, letting the sacrificial knife fall to his side.  Blood was still flowing from the wounds, albeit slowly, so he supposed Nrahotep must still be alive.  The sound of continued fighting in the temple and beyond floated back into his ears and he shook himself into the present.  Zeus damn it, this was no time to be daydreaming, he had a city to save!  Somehow.

Gods, he needed a miracle right now.

Nrahotep lurched up from the floor and made a grab for Demetrios' legs.  Demetrios screamed and backpedalled until he hit the marble sanctum wall.  The Egyptian lurched up onto his elbows for a moment before they gave way and he unceremoniously slumped to the floor once more.  In his throes, a necklace was exposed from where it hid beneath his armour.

The necklace was a simple leather thong holding what appeared to be a fragment of crystal, or perhaps a piece of mirrored glass with facets.  It reflected the light so brightly - no, it shone from some hidden source within.  Demetrios knelt down and, ready to stab Nrahotep if need be, cut the thong and pulled away the necklace.  On an impulse he tied it around his own neck.

Demetrios felt himself flooded with emotion; joy and sorrow and rage and others he knew not what.  He doubled over and felt himself retch from the shock, but the sensation soon passed and dulled into the background.  He wondered what-

The world exploded.  Demetrios dived to the ground, but chips of marble buried themselves in his arm and shoulder.  The catapult stone carried on through the inner sanctum and out into the world.  When his ears ceased ringing, Demetrios absent-mindedly pulled one of the chips out of his shoulder; he felt blood flow but not spurt.  Shock dulled pain, both shock of the attack and what he could now see beyond the temple.

There upon the hill overlooking Athens was a great and terrible beast, a thing of nightmares.  An ape, matted with blackened and patchy fur, stood taller than the city walls.  It bellowed to the sky, a roar that made Demetrios' fear want to burn a hole through his heart and flee.

A Creature.  The Aztecs had summoned a Creature.  Scripture said that only a god could do so, could do so and expect it to obey.  Had the Many Named returned, and worse did it mean He stood upon their side?

As the creature howled it raised its hands and Demetrios watched ribbons of fire burst into being around them, swirling like currents in some evil storm.  Was he actually witnessing a miracle?

The ground shook as before Demetrios' eyes a mound, then a hill, then a mountain came into being where once had stood houses, streets, people.  Some faint part of his mind identified a crumbling piece of rubble upon the rising terrain as the tavern where he had spent his sixteenth birthday.

The world exploded again.  The mountain became a volcano and fire and ash spewed first into the sky, then scorched the ground below.  Demetrios' city, his people, his home, were blazing into so much ash.

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The young acolyte turned to the relatively intact half of the city where the fight was still going strong.  He was vaguely aware that the fighting in the temple had ceased, but gave no thought to what that might bode.  The Aztecs vastly outnumbered population and soldiers both; this was no occupation, it was genocide.  The citizenry had fought back as best they can, both by force of arms and trickery; Demetrios smiled grimly as stacks of blazing hay roasted a wave of Aztec troops.  Yet it was only a matter of time before they won out.

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A divine spark...

Scripture held that once the gods had sacrificed men and women upon their altars, let their blood flow and their bodies char because it pleased them, gave them strength.  Was it their life that gave the gods such power, or was it their passing?  The Aztecs continued such sacrfices to this day, and here they wielded power Demetrios had only dreamed.  What had he to lose?

A quick check of the pulse told the acolyte that Nrahotep was barely alive, so he dragged the Egyptian into the centre of the circle prepared for the rite.  Demetrios felt natural hesitation; he had only performed a sacrifice once, when he was permitted to kill the bull at last year's harvest festival.  He had missed the first time and the beast had squealed horribly before he made the second blow and finished it.

Demetrios plunged the knife into Nrahotep's throat.  It jammed awkwardly. Demetrios tried to pull it out but it only wedged in harder.  Blood started spraying out around the edge of the blade, getting over Demetrios' robes and making the handle slippery.  He put his foot down on the Egyptian's chest and yanked the blade out through brute force.  The sacrificial knife slid out of his fingers and skittered across the floor.  Blood spurted in a clean jet out of the dying man's throat; stronger, then weaker, then stronger, then weaker still.  Demetrios watched with a mixture of fascination and horror as the flow of blood dulled, then stopped altogether.

He could never properly describe the sensation, but some part of him could feel the Egyptian die.  It felt like wrenching out one of his own teeth.

The mirrored glass around Demetrios' neck burst into brilliant white light, as did the crystals and salt of the rite's circle.  Demetrios felt a flood of images and sensations; comfort, home, a cold summer and winter snow.  His mind snapped back to Athens, but not to Demetrios.  He found himself watching the chaos beyond the temple and tried to focus in on a single point; a crowd of panicking citizens being butchered by archers on the wall.  As he did so, a brilliant vortex of silver light came into being in the square.  With nowhere else to go, people abandoned all caution and hurried desperately into the vortex.  Demetrios felt them go... somewhere.

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Demetrios felt his attention slip and suddenly he was dully aware of everything again.  The vortex vanished.  He tried to focus back on the original point but instead saw a circle of houses and trees blocked off by a pillar.  The vortex reappeared by the houses and more citizens ran to whatever possibly safety it might offer in the fleeting moments before Demetrios' focus broke again.  He was vaguely aware that a moment later, barrels of olive oil reached flash point and exploded, killing everyone left in the circle.

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Fire seared his mind as the Creature raised its arms again.  A new hill began to form beneath the second half of the city; the ape cared little if the Aztec soldiers died in its wake.  Demetrios tried to focus in on it, but his mind was drawn instead to a young acolyte in a shattered temple, surrounded by shining crystals.  Behind him, three Aztec soldiers stepped into the room.  One raised his macahuitl to strike a killing blow.

Self-preservation kicked in.  Demetrios felt the whole world go silver, then felt it shudder and be carried away as if by some terrible storm.  His senses overloaded and he saw and felt nothing but white for a handful of seconds before information slowly trickled back in.

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In Athens, a macahuitl passed harmlessly through a flash of silver light where once a young Greek had sat.  The soldiers spent a moment in confusion, then became aware of the crack forming in the temple floor.  Just outside, they saw a third peak begin to rise...

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Demetrios came to surrounded by confused, angry and fearful people.  To his relief, they were at least Greek people.  Someone helped him up; he recognised the man as one of the old guard captains.  One familiar face at least.

Some of the crowd were shouting, arguing or crying.  Others were silent and despondant, looking for anyone to tell them what had happened or even why.  Demetrios remembered that apart from rumours and hearsay, most of them had only the roughest idea of the war with the Aztecs before it came to their doorstep.

Demetrios tried to speak.  His mouth failed to make words and a handful of garbled syllables came out.  Though not his intended effect, this did get the crowd to quieten.  A few people spoke up, then several more.

"What happened?"  "Did Zeus save us?"  "Did you save us?" 

"What happened to my family?"  "Why were the Aztecs attacking us?"  "Those were the Aztecs?  Gods..." 

"What happened?"  "Why did Zeus let them attack us?"  "What did we do wrong?"  "What did you do wrong?"  "Did you do this?"  "Was it your fault?" 

"What happened?"  "Where are we?"  "Who are you?" 

"What happened?"

"Enough!" shouted Demetrios, rather more forcefully than he had intended.  To his quiet surprise the crowd did indeed stop talking.  Demetrios brushed himself down and tried his best to compose himself and look vaguely as if he knew what was happening.

"This is a time of trials," he invented quickly, "a test put upon us by Zeus to try our faith and our resolve.  Many failed that test.  You did not, and that is why you were saved."  Demetrios honestly had no idea what he was saying, these were literally the first words to come out of his head.  Later, he would seriously regret that.

"Zeus has heard your plight and answered you.  The Aztecs attacked us because we were -" Oh gods, think of something! "- decadent -" Damn it.  It'll do. "- and fell from the ways the gods gave us.  Yet Zeus has given us another chance, just as He will give you the chance and power to avenge your fathers, your brothers, your sisters, your mothers, but it is a chance you must earn!"  Demetrios felt that he could at least try to put some sense into this speech, so he added; "But not yet.  We are few and they are many, we are weak and they are strong, we are alone and they have allies.  This will change, with Zeus' guidance, but first we must rest and recover.  Only then can be plan revenge."

The crowd seemed to be vaguely mollified by this, so Demetrios took the opportunity to walk away toward one of the buildings in the distance in what he hoped was a dignified and meaningful manner; or at least one that indicated he had some idea what he was doing.

He really, really didn't.



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Re: Black and White 2: Godless Age
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2012, 09:13:57 pm »

Is this going to be a good or evil run?

I could easily see this being doable by good (Black and White 2 is interesting in that good is the outright easy mode) but as evil I'd almost scream in terror.
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« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2012, 09:37:54 pm »

This should be interesting.

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« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2012, 10:25:17 pm »

Is this going to be a good or evil run?

I could easily see this being doable by good (Black and White 2 is interesting in that good is the outright easy mode) but as evil I'd almost scream in terror.
We could try the "One Commandment" rule. We take one completely unrelated statement and whenever we need to make a decision, we try to distort that statement's meaning in order to achieve what we want. Just like religious politics in real life.
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« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2012, 01:22:40 am »

The speech by the priest at the end would quality as that "One Commandment".

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« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2012, 02:44:53 am »

Is this going to be a good or evil run?

I could easily see this being doable by good (Black and White 2 is interesting in that good is the outright easy mode) but as evil I'd almost scream in terror.

Roleplay/Pragmatic run.  We're going to try some internal politics and see what effect it has.  If you want to be dwarfed, pick a name that's roughly thematically appropriate (or just say 'dorf me' and I will).
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« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2012, 02:50:45 am »

Joc Eucar signing up!

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« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2012, 09:00:38 am »

This is amazing. When can we expect more?
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« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2012, 06:12:52 pm »

Chapter One: Striking Earth

Journal of Demetrios, First Week
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I thought this island looked familiar.  I remember it now, over a decade in the past.  My parents took me here, back when the Alliance still held, as part of my father's work.  I was old enough to accompany him on travels and he had business liasing with the colony of Pyrenon.  I don't have many fond memories here, but one sticks in my mind.

I climbed the steep hill with my father (mother had remained at the colony) one cold winter noon and we sat and ate lunch beneath the weathered statue of an ancient Norse king whose name I did not learn until many years later.  We talked little, save of my father's business, for then I worshipped him and wished to follow in his footsteps.  In the silences I gazed upon the many Norse villages and the one Greek colony and I asked my father that if it was a Greek island, why were there so many Norsemen here?

My father told me that this was a question the Norsemen asked him too.  He gave a long and complicated answer about treaties and trade and I asked him what the real reason was (because my father never told the truth in a longwinded way).  He told me it was because we had more soldiers on the island than they did and in the end that was what made the island ours, even though there were less of us overall.
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Pyrenon was struggling even when I came here, a decade after its founding.  Only a couple of years later, the locals rebelled and raised warbands of their own.  The garrison was driven out and the colony abandoned.  This was one of many incidents that led to war with the Norse and the complete withdrawal of Greeks from their lands.  A few years after that, the Aztec-Japanese alliance conquered them anyway.

Those little villages are still there, but as my lookouts confirm so are the warbands.
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Little remains of Pyrenon now.  The old storehouse is broken and weather-worn, but every other building save the colony square and an old shrine is gone.  Perhaps the locals tore them down for building materials.  To our good fortune it is still summer, so fruit is plenty to be gathered and beasts plenty to be hunted, but to our greater fortune the old fields Pyrenon cultivated remain partly intact.  They are ragged and overgrown with weeds, but we can clear them some and still gather enough of a harvest to feed us for the next year.  Food and shelter will be our primary concerns for the immediate future.

All this falls to me, for what nobility we had perished with the capital.  As the sole surviving member of the Temple, I am now high priest of Zeus and responsible for our survival and eventual revenge.  I pray to the gods, if they hear me, that I am up to the task.

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Demetrios, Second Month
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We are now well established and the harvest is being taken in for the coming winter.  I have appointed men and women dedicated specifically to harvesting the grain and planting for the new year, as I have appointed some men specifically to cut lumber for construction.  Our stockpile of supplies has finally reached a comfortable enough level that I can devote people to the next critical task; erecting shelter.
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I have given instructions to rebuild the old villas here in Pyrenon; many of the foundations survive and we have been able to find them beneath a decade's dirt.  Although repairs to the storehouse give us some basic shelter, solid walls and hearths are essential if we are to survive the coming winter.  A stonemason and a plasterer, Joc Eucar and Iogenes Blaze, count amongst the survivors.  I have given them free leave to arrange and order the constructions however they feel necessary.

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Demetrios, Late Autumn
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Our first villa is complete and proofed against the coming chills.  It will take us the rest of winter and into spring to complete all dozen villas, but we should have enough to shelter us before too long.  I have said often in sermons that it is necessary for us to think not only of the next year but perhaps the years after that.  We are all that survive of Greece and it is up to us to rebuild.
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Unfortunately I am not the only one to say so, and a notable citizen by the name of Neo Nivek is preaching that to rebuild also means to 'repopulate'.  Nivek is intensely charismatic to the point that men and women gladly fawn over him.  He is nominally set to building, but has taken more of an architectural role and rarely gets his hands dirty.

At least, not with construction.  Nivek preaches that Zeus saved us all because we proved our faith and our worth; some as Builders, some as Foresters, some as Farmers... and some as Breeders.  Nivek alarms me greatly with his words, but his popularity prevents me from making an open move against him.

What am I writing?  Moving against a fellow survivor?  What would I do, have him taken into the woods and executed?  Gods forgive me such thinking, even if I fear what his own thinking might lead to.

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Demetrios - Early Spring, Second Year
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Our villas are all but complete.  In just over half a year we have turned a ruined, crumbling handful of buildings into a fully functioning colony with over thirty people.  We have more than enough villas, the earth is thawing for fresh planting and I have even arranged for the foresters to begin managing the local forest for the long-term future.  I took lunch on the storehouse terrace today and I could not help but feel filled with pride at our achievements.  There was an almost festival air on the first day of spring.
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The extra villas are going to come in handy.  One of the young women in the village gave birth last week, which itself is only a good sign.  Far more alarming are the many more swollen bellies among the women of the colony.  Nivek's 'Breeder' cult has spread with alarming speed and tenacity, though I am almost grateful not all the children will be his.  He has two lieutenants responsible for a lot of his 'holy work'.  I am just glad that there are still honest couples not engaging in this rampant debauchery.

We were contacted for the first time by the residents of the nearby village, Fern.  Although we had both been aware of the other village's existence, we had both shied away from each other until now.  Contact was peaceful; an old man and a young bearing goods for token trade.  We met and talked briefly about the island ('their' island, they made clear) and the villages here.  The local Jarl lives at the far end, but beyond that most of the inhabitants have never left this isle, especially since the Aztecs gained their stranglehold on shipping.

The old man, Chara Thad, warned us that though Fern held us no ill will there were many on the island who remembered the oppression of the old Pyrenese and might not take kindly to our expansion.  This was echoed by sentiments amongst our own people; Joc Eucar's brother had manned the garrison here when the colony fell and had died defending it.  Eucar has quite the following with the builders; I may wish to heed his advice on how to deal with the Norse here in the future.

Among the items we traded with Fern was a bar of tin.  I asked Thad if there was a reliable deposit of ore on the island and he revealed that it belonged to the Jarl.  Now that we have it, I cannot help but recall one of the foresters mentioning some green rocks in the woods...

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Demetrios, Late Spring
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Sure enough, a malachite deposit was found almost on our doorstep.  It appears that the old colonists knew about and quarried it, but long neglect had covered it with overgrowth.  We have reopened the mine and set up a small forge to smelt copper.  With the tin we trade from Fern, we have begun producing small amounts of bronze and working them into fresh tools and implements.

Chara Thad and his people seem to be in some friction with their Jarl over the trade, from what I hear.  The Fernish are happy to let the old struggles subside, but the Jarl's bondsmen apparently feel that they are effectively arming the enemy.  For now we continue as before but I feel we should stockpile tin in case our supply is cut.

Eucar has little sympathy for Thad's plight.  He does agree with the Jarl's bondsmen though; Joc is encouraging people to the idea to fashion this bronze into weapons and secure the supply of tin for ourselves.  This does have some support but it has not been a year since our homes and lives were torn away by war.  Only a few still have the stomach for it, though this may change with time.

Nivek actually opposes Eucar on this.  He holds that we should support the Fernish and encourage them to forge stronger bonds with us.  Nivek's camp suggests that we can obtain the tin be simply making a stronger connection with the Norse.  I suspect his desire for unity stems from a lust for Norse women rather than any genuine philanthropy, but it is at least an opposing view.

Blaze has made little comment, but instead has focused on a new project for the builders.  Since the old Temple of Zeus was destroyed in the Aztec attacks, he plans to rebuild a smaller replica here in this colony.  I and most others applaud his efforts, though gods know it may take as much as a year to do.

Though Blaze does not speak openly, I know that he has an opinion on the Norse.  He holds little hatred for them, as Eucar, or lust, as Nivek.  He simply holds the view that many of the older Greeks do, the view that my father did.  The Norse are simply a lesser race, and it is our duty as the master race to care for them, and their duty to obey as good servants should.

I have not shared that opinion with Chara Thad.  After all, we need that tin.
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Demetrios - Mid Spring, Third Year
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The temple is complete.  After over a year of work, Iogenes Blaze's masterpiece has come to fruition.  Alas the pillars and structure are in common stone rather than the marble they deserve, but the bronze statues and inlays are an almost perfect replica of the Temple I knew and loved.  I held sermon in the temple today as we laid the last panel and consecrated it in the name of the gods.  The temple stands as more than just another building in this settlement; it marks the change from a haphazard colony to a true Greek town.

It was in such a mood of jubilation that I received word from Fern this evening.  Their reckoning day has come.  Though the Jarl prohibited trade with us months before we had kept up an illicit run of tin for copper and ale for as long as we could.  This morning a messenger was sent with an ultimatum; cease all contact with the Greeks or the Jarl would come with his warbands and forcibly remove them all.

The Fernish have refused their Jarl's word.  Rather than risk his wrath, they are packing up their belongings and beginning a march to Pyrenon.  If we will take them, they will join our town as citizens.

There has been much debate tonight, to the point of heated argument over what should be done with the Fernish immigrants.  Nivek wants to let them in as full citizens, or if we have not the space then to return them to their homes in Fern and offer them full protection against the Jarl's wrath there.  Blaze has quietly suggested they be let in, but at the station that is right for their kind.  He wants to separate the Norse into their own separate ghetto with their own buildings; to keep them apart from the more noble Greeks.  He has framed this suggestion with the idea that they would be 'more comfortable in their own surroundings, apart from the bustle of Greek life'.

Joc Eucar thinks we should just let them all die at their Jarl's hands.

I must make a decision before morning.  Should I let these Norse in as full citizens, as if they were Greeks?  Should I let them stay here and rush to build more houses, or else send them back to their own village with the promise of protection?  Should I give them the more traditional status as a client people and their own grotto within Pyrenon?  Or should I just let them all starve and face death at the hands of their former master?  It would certainly make a point, and I wouldn't have to worry about feeding them.

Gods, I cannot believe I just wrote that.  What am I going to do?
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Around about now, I'd say.  Make arguments for and vote for;

  • Full Integration.  They go to the Greek city, they live as Greeks in Greek buildings.
  • Resettlement.  They are accepted as full citizens but go back to live in their own town rather than the capital.
  • Segregation.  They live in their own little ghetto in the Greek city (Norse buildings only, so there's a whole Norse quarter of its own) and are treated as second class citizens in the narrative.
  • Abandonment.  They are left to the elements and all die.  (Literally.  If you don't accept immigrants they sit on the edge of your border and just die of starvation.)
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« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2012, 06:55:16 pm »

I'm all for accepting and integrating them. Not out of any love for the Norse, no, but because I care for our future. We can all agree that the Norse are very different from us, but we are still both humans. An apt analogy for this would be different breeds of dogs. And like different breeds of dogs, different breeds of humans excel at different tasks. That is why the Norse are considered lesser to us - they're no good at the things we greeks are good at. But there is another reason for my desire to integrate them rather than just accept and segregate them. To extend the dog analogy, purebred dogs may be shining examples of their breed, but they are often frail and weak of health from inbreeding, whereas hybrids are healthy and hale. And we are truly in danger of inbreeding, as few as we are.

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OK, so I'm taking the side of the breeder cult. Not that I'm a particular adherent of their philosophy, mind you. I'd like to be introduced as a character if you can - a scholar of some sort, preferably. Sense of morality optional, sense of practicality not optional.
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Re: Black and White 2: Godless Age
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2012, 08:05:13 pm »

Joc Eucar: Let them die!  Let them die!

*Suddenly, a blond, buxom Norse lady walks into Joc Eucar's view.*

Joc Eucar: Actually, it would be far more prudent to expand our borders by helping them resettle their town, defended by our stout lads, of whom I would be glad to command.  I would also volunteer to help them rebuild any building that might have been damaged in the Jarl's attack.  Of course, I would expect a certain reward from our Norse allies...

*Joc Eucar gazed upon the blond buxom Norse lady with lust.*

(Funny story, I actually just had a dream in which I was the advisor to a blond buxom queen.  An omen, perhaps?  ;D)

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Re: Black and White 2: Godless Age
« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2012, 08:28:47 pm »

Cassandra speaks:

I am of the same opinion as Jon Eucar. They have come to us, and we have no reason to refute them, but to let them come in and mingle in our own city? We are proud Greeks, men and women whom Zeus himself has chosen and found worthy - do you seriously expect us to live with these lesser barbarians? Let them submit to us and we shall be their benevolent masters, but equals they are not. Even without such matters, why must we let them come and build new homes for them? They have their own town and property that is going to waste!
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Bah. We Greeks are superior, the world shall bow to us! Screw equality - we're their masters!

Also, it seems interesting to play a woman with all the... breeding cult that is going on. I personally refuse to join the cult, by the way.
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Re: Black and White 2: Godless Age
« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2012, 04:43:02 pm »

Full intergration
To evolve...
To evolve beyond the people we were a year before.
Little by little, we advance a bit further with each person we adopt!
THATS HOW A DRILL SCREW PUMP WORKS

Hear this Jarl, our SCREW PUMPS WILL DRILL HOLE IN THE HEAVENS
and that hole willl be filled with all sorts of people.
Greeks, Egyptians, Aztects, Norse
WHEN WE COMBINE THOSE PEOPLE WE GET EVEN MORE PEOPLE AND GREATER TECHNOLOGY
THAT IS THE GREEK WAY
THAT IS HUMANITY
OUR PEOPLE WILL BE THE PEOPLE THAT PIERCES THE HEAVENS!
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Re: Black and White 2: Godless Age
« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2012, 11:56:47 am »

Segregate them. It'll make for the best narrative and the prettiest looking cities. Also secure that tin.
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