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[WealthyRadish]

It's pretty easy to bring coal on embark, at only 3 points each. I usually bring about 100... 900 coke is more than even Charlie Sheen could ever use.

[Loud Whispers]

It's pretty easy to bring coal on embark, at only 3 points each. I usually bring about 100... 900 coke is more than even Charlie Sheen could ever use.

How many steel bars does one man need?

[Corai]

It's pretty easy to bring coal on embark, at only 3 points each. I usually bring about 100... 900 coke is more than even Charlie Sheen could ever use.

How many steel bars does one man need?

How many dead ravens does one Loud Whispers need?

How many were-civets does one Loud Whispers need?

How many times has Loud Whispered got his butt owned by ravens?

[Xenos]

It's pretty easy to bring coal on embark, at only 3 points each. I usually bring about 100... 900 coke is more than even Charlie Sheen could ever use.

How many steel bars does one man need?

I want thousands of steel bars...but I tend to bring malachite/tetrahedrite, cassiterite, and mismuth on embark so I can make enough serrated discs to buy the first few caravan's outright and fund my steel factory.

[Kromgar]

Can flux blocks be used for steel industry?

[miauw62]

It's pretty easy to bring coal on embark, at only 3 points each. I usually bring about 100... 900 coke is more than even Charlie Sheen could ever use.

How many steel bars does one man need?

How many in-jokes does one forum need?

[Eric Blank]

Can flux blocks be used for steel industry?

Nope. Once a boulder of stone or ore (or any other source of blocks) is made into blocks it becomes entirely useless for any purpose besides construction.

[Xenos]

It's pretty easy to bring coal on embark, at only 3 points each. I usually bring about 100... 900 coke is more than even Charlie Sheen could ever use.

How many steel bars does one man need?

How many in-jokes does one forum need?

How many goblins must one fort burn, before the siege will end?  How many years must the kittens run free, before the fort slows to a crawl?  The answer my friends, is blowing in the wind...

[Mr S]

^^ I was waiting for that reference, right there.  Ah, it comes around naturally, kind of organic.  Thanks for that.  Carry on.

[wuphonsreach]

Can flux blocks be used for steel industry?

Nope. Once a boulder of stone or ore (or any other source of blocks) is made into blocks it becomes entirely useless for any purpose besides construction.

Yeah, that's one of my main complaints at the moment.  It would be especially useful if the various crafted rock goods (goblets, crafts, etc) would use blocks as inputs instead of raw stones.  Same thing for making mechanisms and furniture.  The downside would be that you have to turn all stone into blocks first before it is useful.  But I don't see that as a big deal now that you get 4 blocks from 1 stone.

My wishlist for the stone issue:

- Give us a 2nd dig/channel command which takes 2x as long but produces 50% more stone.  So instead of "d-d" or "d-h" you could command "d-D" and "d-H" for the slower method.

- Allow skilled masons to produce more blocks from a single piece of stone.  So with good luck and a highly skilled mason you could get 8 blocks/stone, while with bad luck/skill you might only get 3 blocks/stone.

- More workshops that use blocks as inputs instead of raw stone (mechanic workshop, craft workshops, furniture recipes)

[miauw62]

I just want them to accept both, but blocks produces more and has a higher chance at a high quality or something like that.

[Darkening Kaos]

Cut out the useless operation and cut blocks directly from the terrain.

Order your miners to 'carve block' and then designate the quarry.

[Eric Blank]

- Allow skilled masons to produce more blocks from a single piece of stone.  So with good luck and a highly skilled mason you could get 8 blocks/stone, while with bad luck/skill you might only get 3 blocks/stone.

I agree with all of that post, except this part. The blocks come from dividing up the boulder. If each boulder is being divided into 4 pieces, it makes sense, but if you're dividing it up into a random amount of peices, then block weight and volume will have to be made more dynamic, and construction projects like walls and floors and furniture production would also have to depend upon achieving a certain volume of material for the product, which is made difficult now because you've got 250 granite blocks of x volume and 600 granite blocks of x*0.5 volume, and another 135 blocks of x*0.736 volume (I'm just bullshitting the numbers, but you get the point, right?) It's simpler for Toady, if using blocks in item production is made possible and for the sake of wall constructions which would have to be cahnged to account for this, to simply keep with four blocks/boulder and say 1 block = a good section of wall or x quantity of mugs.

[Sutremaine]

Yeah, that's one of my main complaints at the moment.  It would be especially useful if the various crafted rock goods (goblets, crafts, etc) would use blocks as inputs instead of raw stones.

Just switch to prepared meals as your trade good of choice. If you really want quantity over quality, have one kitchen for your proper meals and the rest for biscuits made of tallow and other cheap single-unit ingredients.

I don't see what the fuss is about rock crafts having fewer raw materials available now. The only reason they ever got made in the first place is because they were a way of dealing with excess stone and still getting something out of it, and now people seem to be complaining that there isn't enough rock at the same time as they make crafts to try and get rid of excess rock.

Old clothes are better at the role stone crafts used to fill anyway. There are too many of them and they're cheap and useless, but because there are so many of them they can buy you quite a bit when the caravan comes.

[Moonshadow101]

Can people seriously be complaining about a lack of stone? I use massive stone craft and furniture industries, and so far I've found that the recent change only leads to me having 2,500 times more stone than I need rather than the usual 10,000.