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Re: What do you think of the English language?
« Reply #165 on: June 12, 2012, 04:53:08 pm »

I wish I could post Swedish rural dialects, but it would be impossible to choose because all Swedish dialects are either hicky or snobby. No averages, except Rikssvenska ("High Swedish") which nobody speaks except on the tele, and you have to be trained to do it properly. Of course, most of the snobby dialect people all think they talk "High Swedish".

Personally, me coming from south-eastern part of the Small Lands, I have a really problem with R's in front of S's and T's. That can get very embarrassing. I also have a difficulty differencing my sh/skj/sch sounds, but that might come from my parents not being from here or my first three years in another region, because I don't think other people here does that. Or it might just be my mouth not working right, I guess.
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Re: What do you think of the English language?
« Reply #166 on: June 12, 2012, 06:01:38 pm »

OK, remember how people wondered what English sounds like to foreigners? Well, I'm kinda curious about the same thing, but for Croatian. So, I recorded myself reciting a poem here. I specifically picked this one to show off the onomatopoeic capacities of the language (it's about a cricket). Do note that I have a slight speech impediment, though, as my Rs are way too soft - they're supposed to be rolled.

Hearing that much alliteration and repetition from that deep Slavic monotone is astoundingly creepy.  Glad to know I'm not the only person who can't trill R's too.

And while I'd like to post a link to myself saying something, eh, not in the cards right now.  There's enough of my voice floating around as it is.
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Re: What do you think of the English language?
« Reply #167 on: June 12, 2012, 07:04:22 pm »

I wonder what the accent of an L1* English speaker sounds like in his (fluently spoken) L2** (which need not be any particular language).

*first language
**second language
With L2 being Polish, the most noticeable(imo), the most pervasive are the alveolar /d/ and /t/ instead of Polish dentals. Also the slightly different /ʃ/ and /tʃ/. These are not a major focus when learning Polish, since the equivalents are close enough and difficult to correct, but that's also the reason why they tend to be the last to go.
It works the other way around too, I guess.

OK, remember how people wondered what English sounds like to foreigners? Well, I'm kinda curious about the same thing, but for Croatian.
To me, it sounds like a mixture of Russian and Hungarian.
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Re: What do you think of the English language?
« Reply #168 on: June 12, 2012, 08:08:22 pm »

To me, it sounds like English. :P

However, to non-fluent Koreans, English sounds like extra fast Korean, slurred and with lots of tongue sounds. Also, there's no difference between j and z, l and r, no 'sh' sound exactly, and a few other minor things.
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Re: What do you think of the English language?
« Reply #169 on: June 12, 2012, 08:42:26 pm »

OK, remember how people wondered what English sounds like to foreigners? Well, I'm kinda curious about the same thing, but for Croatian. So, I recorded myself reciting a poem here. I specifically picked this one to show off the onomatopoeic capacities of the language (it's about a cricket). Do note that I have a slight speech impediment, though, as my Rs are way too soft - they're supposed to be rolled.

It sounds awesome. And also like every other slavic language I ever heard, too. It even have a "repeat button" too. I think I'm going to click it once again.

I'd like to hear more different languages now ! Too many I want to learn, and too little time for it !
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Re: What do you think of the English language?
« Reply #170 on: June 13, 2012, 01:59:33 am »

I don't know if somebody here has ever heard Basque (which is very much spoken around my place). Basque is quite weird to hear. Very very strange, because (for example) if it's spoken in the French part of the basque country (and therefore by somebody for who French is LV1), when you listen, you feel as if you were drunk or high and that somebody spoke french in front of you, and that you don't understand even a word. Not even a WORD ! The tone is here, but not even a word is understandable.
Much uglier than Occitan.

About Australian and Texan, it's just my feeling i don't judge it.
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Re: What do you think of the English language?
« Reply #171 on: June 13, 2012, 07:59:58 am »

About English, some accents are very awful (Australian, Texan), but some are very likable.

I've always wondered what the "hick" accents of other languages sound like.  All peoples have their groups of backwoods bumpkins, and I'm sure they sound just as atrocious to the edumacated members of their own language.
I can't think of many examples at the moment (perhaps Marco Ramius's Lithuanian-accented Russian being a 'bit' Scottish, in The Hunt For Red October, and Donna Noble/The Doctor sounding Celtic (in universe!) when using Latin terms to Romans through the hand-wavy translation field thing that the TARDIS has[1]), but there's countless English-language-but-set-in-a-foreign-setting productions where regional British (or A.N.Other) accents have played their part in representing differently-accented locals.

[Just to say, I knew what the original question was, and has since been talked about, but I was just taking another path of tthought.  Ignore this if you wish. ;)]

Ah, just thought of another example.  "The Little World Of Don Camillo", a radio comedy.  But not sure if it properly represents things, by using a set of (related) Northern UK accents to represent the inhabitants of the ?Po Valley?, especially the communists.

Darnit, another (much better) example flitted across my mind, while writing the last para, and now it's gone.

But more than once I've heard as how (say) a West Country accent was chosen to represent the equivalent-to-West-Country character's speech.  Or it could just be for comedy effect.  Or, given most of the audience wouldn't really notice, just because the actor involved came along with that accent, and, hey... why not?


(Of course, it could be done with comedy stereotype accents of the local languages, a la 'Allo 'Allo, but not quite the same thing.  It's more or less assumed that (with the exception of the English, who only speak English, and those few (Michelle, Crabtree, and Geering[2]) when they were speaking English) they're communicating in the (hand-wavily) most appropriate common language (presumably mostly French, when amongst the locals), regardless of whether they themselves are French, German or Italian.  As perhaps confirmed when René had to impersonate a German and used a strained version of his voice as if now speaking in a language he obviously knew but did not speak much.)


Oh, and there's "British accents for the Empire, American accents for the Alliance" thing in Star Wars, but that's just a Trope thing, along with Die Hard villains (and many others) being Englishmen playing Germans, amongst the locals.


Ok, one more example... Not sure if it was done in the film, like this (not seen it) but in the book and a radio-play I heard of Captain Corelli's Mandolin there's an English 'spy' (or 'forward observer') whose initial knowledge of Greek is of the Ancient variety, having been chosen for this mission mainly due to his academic knowledge in the language, and so the English audience to the story hear (or read) him addressing the locals in a Chaucerian-style.  "Ye Olde Englishe".  (Albeit that this style is only a fractional amount aged, compared with what it's representing!)


This is not to say that we couldn't recognise a somewhat cosmopolitan-style of French/Italian/German accent from a more back-woods version, except that we're probably quite polluted by a mish-mash of non-appropriate accents ("if it doesn't sound like Depardieu, it's not French", and of course all Germans are Bavarian!), for one reason or another, so it's not as reliable a clue for the general audience as it might otherwise be...

We already 'know' that some Americans can be confuzzled by British accents (Cockney=>Australian), and found the Mancunian 'twang' of Daphne in Frasier quite novel.  And of course most of us Brits might well not know a Louisiana accent from an Arkansas one, due to more local lazinesses of Hollywood in times past. ;)


[1] And possibly Christopher Eccleston's #9 Doctor being "Northern" (Lancastrian, actually), explained as,"Every planet has a north", but #10's quite genuine Scottish-accent-on-demand, even while Rose and Donna gave excruciating renditions ("Don't.  Please don't.") might mean that he's just naturally able to work with accents after such a long set of lives (if not inherently), and just like his hair colour (even if he's never not been ginger yet!) and, in fact, whole body changes, what pops out after each regeneration is merely one possibility.

[2] Whom I pretty much think either suppressed his knowledge of English, or never had reason or cause to try to communicate with the Airmen, until he was 'rescued' back to Blighty.
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Re: What do you think of the English language?
« Reply #172 on: June 13, 2012, 08:11:21 am »

I just now realized how hilarious it is that the typical American southern accent completely mangles the word "rural".  When I try to say it, it's almost pure vowels.
Hmm...to me, it sounds like a dog growling. "Rrrurrrrl". Or if I clean it up a bit an enunciate, it rhymes with "earl"

Wasn't it the series 30 Rock where there was a running gag over people not understanding the name of a program "The Rural Juror"? ;)
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Re: What do you think of the English language?
« Reply #173 on: June 13, 2012, 08:34:40 am »

An example of the Australian hick (bogan) accent

My cousin Bill used to work for a call centre that handled customer service for the Tasmanian power company (poor bastards only have the one) and was infuriated by the Taswegians calling him "Biww" and asking him questions about "biwwing".
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Re: What do you think of the English language?
« Reply #174 on: June 13, 2012, 08:45:14 am »

Compare with the (traditionally) London lower-class accented "miwk" (milk)...  And now I've got the idea of "I'm not going south of the Bass Strait at this time of night!" coming from a Melbourne cabbie.
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Re: What do you think of the English language?
« Reply #175 on: June 13, 2012, 09:25:49 am »

An example of the Australian hick (bogan) accent

My cousin Bill used to work for a call centre that handled customer service for the Tasmanian power company (poor bastards only have the one) and was infuriated by the Taswegians calling him "Biww" and asking him questions about "biwwing".
Can't...stop....thinking of this  :P

See, the local "hick" pronunciation of milk here would be something like "mee-yilk". A good Southern drawl can stretch vowels out into their own syllables. The stereotypical Southern Baptist preacher turns "God" into at least a three-syllable word: "Gaaaaa-awwwwww-duh"
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Re: What do you think of the English language?
« Reply #176 on: June 13, 2012, 10:20:14 am »

Relevent.  The English Language in 24 Accents.
The English Language In 24 Accentshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dABo_DCIdpM&feature=endscreen
Sad to say he missed the two accents I'm most familiar with: Derbyshire and Bristol, not too bad, though.

It's a shame, I love my accent and the way I pronounce most words. If everyone spoke with a Derbyshire accent, England and the world would be a much safer place.

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Re: What do you think of the English language?
« Reply #177 on: June 13, 2012, 10:38:27 am »

The thing I love is code-switching between accents, especially with friends who share the same mix of rural childhood, urban residence, and a high degree of education. It's remarkable how quickly one of us can "go country" if talking on the phone to extended family who are still rural, for instance. Which leads to much joking and then shifting in and out of "country" accent, "city" accent and high-level academic discourse.

And then I hear people (especially in Miami) code-switching between English and Spanish, and it blows my mind.
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Re: What do you think of the English language?
« Reply #178 on: June 13, 2012, 10:40:03 am »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSRC6-XgSHo and portuguese? what does european portuguese sounds to foreigners?

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Re: What do you think of the English language?
« Reply #179 on: June 13, 2012, 10:40:40 am »

Code-switching between languages is common between Korean Americans! :P
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