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Kaiserr

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THIS IS FREAKING HARD
« on: June 06, 2012, 07:23:01 pm »
DAFUQ MAN
I have been working on this for a long time and every time I put in arena it is blind and suffocates,even though it has NOBREATHE.
Also,it can't stand despite having legs.

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I need help.
Bad.
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Quote from: Spinal_Taper on August 01, 2012, 05:08:51 am
Wait, you type with your feet? That's badass.
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Re: THIS IS FREAKING HARD
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2012, 07:38:47 pm »
I'm amazed it survived long enough to suffocate.  You... really might want to look at existing creature raws and give the wiki a good read before you try this again.  Maybe start by modifying an existing creature, first.
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Re: THIS IS FREAKING HARD
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2012, 07:41:47 pm »
Quote from: Igfig on June 06, 2012, 07:38:47 pm
I'm amazed it survived long enough to suffocate.  You... really might want to look at existing creature raws and give the wiki a good read before you try this again.  Maybe start by modifying an existing creature, first.

Fuck,man,I have been READING the wiki and it is apparently misleading.
If I can't even get materials or breathing right,what makes you think I can edit an existing creature?!
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Quote from: Spinal_Taper on August 01, 2012, 05:08:51 am
Wait, you type with your feet? That's badass.
Quote from: grimman007 on July 14, 2012, 08:13:11 pm
DF: Beat people to death with their own appendages!

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Re: THIS IS FREAKING HARD
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2012, 07:51:41 pm »
What we're saying, is go look at an existing creature, it helps you see where the tags should go.
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Re: THIS IS FREAKING HARD
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2012, 07:54:42 pm »
DAFUQ is right
Code: [Select]
[CREATURE:ARCHDEMON]
   [NAME:Archdemon:archdemons:archdemon]
   [PREFSTRING:Unholy rites]
   [PREFSTRING:Flaming souls]
   [PREFSTRING:Mind-melting screams]
   [CAN_LEARN]
   [NOPAIN]
   [NONAUSEA]
   [NOSTUN]
   [TRAPAVOID]
        [BODY:HUMANOID]
   [BP:UB:upper body][UPPERBODY]
   [BP:LB:lower body] [CONTYPE:UPPERBODY][LOWERBODY]
   [BP:LL:left leg][CONTYPE:LOWERBODY][LIMB][STANCE]
   [BP:RL:right leg][CONTYPE:LOWERBODY][LIMB][STANCE]
   [BP:LA:left arm][CONTYPE:UPPERBODY][LIMB][GRASP]
   [BP:RA:right arm][CONTYPE:UPPERBODY][LIMB][GRASP]
        [BP:RW:right wing][CONTYPE:UPPERBODY]
   [BP:LW:left wing][CONTYPE:UPPERBODY]
        [BP:TAILT:tail tentacle][CONTYPE:LOWERBODY][LIMB][GRASP]
   [BP:HEAD:head][CONTYPE:UPPERBODY][HEAD]
        [KILL_PLANT:1]
   [SLAVERY:1]
   [TORTURE_FOR_FUN:1]
   [KILL_NEUTRAL:1]
   [KILL_ENTITY_MEMBER:1]
   [KILL_ENEMY:1]
   [KILL_ANIMAL:1]
   [EAT_SAPIENT_KILL:1]
   [BODY:HEART:GUTS:2LUNGS:ORGANS:SPINE]
        [NOBREATHE]
   [HEAD:2EYES:MOUTH:NOSE:2EARS:2HORNS][HEAD]
        [TISSUE:SCALES]
      [TISSUE_NAME:scale:scales]
      [TISSUE_MATERIAL:ORGANIC:SCALES]
      [MUSCULAR]
      [FUNCTIONAL]
      [STRUCTURAL]
      [RELATIVE_THICKNESS:2]
      [CONNECTS]
      [TISSUE_SHAPE:LAYER]
      [TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:SCALE]

You have mashed Entity, Body, and Creature tokens into one horrible mess my friend.

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[CREATURE:ARCHDEMON]
   [NAME:Archdemon:archdemons:archdemon]
   [PREFSTRING:Unholy rites]
   [PREFSTRING:Flaming souls]
   [PREFSTRING:Mind-melting screams]
   [CAN_LEARN]
   [NOPAIN]
   [NONAUSEA]
   [NOSTUN]
   [TRAPAVOID]
        [BODY:HUMANOID]
   [BODY:HEART:GUTS:2LUNGS:ORGANS:SPINE]
        [NOBREATHE]
        [TISSUE:SCALES]
      [TISSUE_NAME:scale:scales]
      [TISSUE_MATERIAL:ORGANIC:SCALES]
      [MUSCULAR]
      [FUNCTIONAL]
      [STRUCTURAL]
      [RELATIVE_THICKNESS:2]
      [CONNECTS]
      [TISSUE_SHAPE:LAYER]
      [TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:SCALE]
THis is everything that is classed as CREATURE tokens. Please take a deep breath, and look at CREATURE TOKENS on the wiki. And at DWARF in "creature_standard.txt" review how it is assembled carefully, if you are confused on what tokens/tags are doing what, consult the wiki and if it's poorly done explains are too hard ot follow (I don't blame you) then ask here.
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Re: THIS IS FREAKING HARD
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2012, 07:54:53 pm »
Quote from: NineFourEightSeven on June 06, 2012, 07:51:41 pm
What we're saying, is go look at an existing creature, it helps you see where the tags should go.

trying that right now.
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Quote from: Spinal_Taper on August 01, 2012, 05:08:51 am
Wait, you type with your feet? That's badass.
Quote from: grimman007 on July 14, 2012, 08:13:11 pm
DF: Beat people to death with their own appendages!

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Re: THIS IS FREAKING HARD
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2012, 07:56:33 pm »
Quote from: Hugo_The_Dwarf on June 06, 2012, 07:54:42 pm
DAFUQ is right
Code: [Select]
[CREATURE:ARCHDEMON]
   [NAME:Archdemon:archdemons:archdemon]
   [PREFSTRING:Unholy rites]
   [PREFSTRING:Flaming souls]
   [PREFSTRING:Mind-melting screams]
   [CAN_LEARN]
   [NOPAIN]
   [NONAUSEA]
   [NOSTUN]
   [TRAPAVOID]
        [BODY:HUMANOID]
   [BP:UB:upper body][UPPERBODY]
   [BP:LB:lower body] [CONTYPE:UPPERBODY][LOWERBODY]
   [BP:LL:left leg][CONTYPE:LOWERBODY][LIMB][STANCE]
   [BP:RL:right leg][CONTYPE:LOWERBODY][LIMB][STANCE]
   [BP:LA:left arm][CONTYPE:UPPERBODY][LIMB][GRASP]
   [BP:RA:right arm][CONTYPE:UPPERBODY][LIMB][GRASP]
        [BP:RW:right wing][CONTYPE:UPPERBODY]
   [BP:LW:left wing][CONTYPE:UPPERBODY]
        [BP:TAILT:tail tentacle][CONTYPE:LOWERBODY][LIMB][GRASP]
   [BP:HEAD:head][CONTYPE:UPPERBODY][HEAD]
        [KILL_PLANT:1]
   [SLAVERY:1]
   [TORTURE_FOR_FUN:1]
   [KILL_NEUTRAL:1]
   [KILL_ENTITY_MEMBER:1]
   [KILL_ENEMY:1]
   [KILL_ANIMAL:1]
   [EAT_SAPIENT_KILL:1]
   [BODY:HEART:GUTS:2LUNGS:ORGANS:SPINE]
        [NOBREATHE]
   [HEAD:2EYES:MOUTH:NOSE:2EARS:2HORNS][HEAD]
        [TISSUE:SCALES]
      [TISSUE_NAME:scale:scales]
      [TISSUE_MATERIAL:ORGANIC:SCALES]
      [MUSCULAR]
      [FUNCTIONAL]
      [STRUCTURAL]
      [RELATIVE_THICKNESS:2]
      [CONNECTS]
      [TISSUE_SHAPE:LAYER]
      [TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:SCALE]

You have mashed Entity, Body, and Creature tokens into one horrible mess my friend.

Code: [Select]
[CREATURE:ARCHDEMON]
   [NAME:Archdemon:archdemons:archdemon]
   [PREFSTRING:Unholy rites]
   [PREFSTRING:Flaming souls]
   [PREFSTRING:Mind-melting screams]
   [CAN_LEARN]
   [NOPAIN]
   [NONAUSEA]
   [NOSTUN]
   [TRAPAVOID]
        [BODY:HUMANOID]
   [BODY:HEART:GUTS:2LUNGS:ORGANS:SPINE]
        [NOBREATHE]
        [TISSUE:SCALES]
      [TISSUE_NAME:scale:scales]
      [TISSUE_MATERIAL:ORGANIC:SCALES]
      [MUSCULAR]
      [FUNCTIONAL]
      [STRUCTURAL]
      [RELATIVE_THICKNESS:2]
      [CONNECTS]
      [TISSUE_SHAPE:LAYER]
      [TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:SCALE]
THis is everything that is classed as CREATURE tokens. Please take a deep breath, and look at CREATURE TOKENS on the wiki. And at DWARF in "creature_standard.txt" review how it is assembled carefully, if you are confused on what tokens/tags are doing what, consult the wiki and if it's poorly done explains are too hard ot follow (I don't blame you) then ask here.

Yeah,wiki can be dumb.
By the way,is scale already an entity?
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Quote from: Spinal_Taper on August 01, 2012, 05:08:51 am
Wait, you type with your feet? That's badass.
Quote from: grimman007 on July 14, 2012, 08:13:11 pm
DF: Beat people to death with their own appendages!

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Re: THIS IS FREAKING HARD
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2012, 08:33:49 pm »
also it's easier to use
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SCALE:SCALE_TEMPLATE]
and
[USE_TISSUE_TEMPLATE:SCALE:SCALE_TEMPLATE]

then layer everything with scale
[TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:SCALE]
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Re: THIS IS FREAKING HARD
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2012, 11:05:19 pm »
Imagine how God felt.
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This is Dwarf Fortress. Where torture, enslavement, and murder are not only tolerable hobbies, but considered dwarfdatory.

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Re: THIS IS FREAKING HARD
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2012, 11:11:44 pm »
Quote from: Mrhappyface on June 06, 2012, 11:05:19 pm
Imagine how God felt.
LOL...
I can imagin life as Human Fortress, and god is playing it. everytime a mass killing or horrible natrual event, he laughs at the !!FUN!! then gets mad when it causes a huge tantrum spiral. so then he tries to make everyone happy, only to grow bored and cause more !!FUN!! I wonder if he is getting iritated with all the Idlers and people that seem to be forever "On Break"
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« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2012, 11:17:40 pm »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuOIPo7OEoY#t=01m57s

^Kaiserr steps up to the computer to modify a creature...

haha, oh man, that's the first thing I thought of. Sorry.

In all seriousness though, I never dreamed of trying to jump in and just create a whole new creature from scratch right out of the gate. I basically just modified existing things, making small tweaks, then making sure they actually worked and didn't crash the game or fail world gen, etc.

Then i'd go back and tweak more, and more, and more, and keep checking to make sure it was working. Whenever it stopped working, i'd go back and see what I changed to figure out why. Then i'd check the wiki for references to that specific token or whatever to see exactly how it is used and what it does, then do it right, and continue.

By the time I was done with something, it was nothing like the original, a completely new thing and you learn so much as you go and eventually you learn enough to actually create new things.

The monsters i've created at this point I couldn't tell you...

10 foot tall dog monsters with 5 heads and wings, with wool (for shearing), milkable, adamantine skin, acid blood, venomous bites, and so on. Perfect for guarding your fortress and supplying numerous useful products to dwarves at the same time.
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Re: THIS IS FREAKING HARD
« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2012, 03:04:34 am »
Quote from: Shaso on June 06, 2012, 11:17:40 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuOIPo7OEoY#t=01m57s

^Kaiserr steps up to the computer to modify a creature...

Do you have any idea how much I love you?
I /remember/ that movie. I remember watching it when I was, like, ten. Excuse me while I watch the whole fething thing again while singing your praises.
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Re: THIS IS FREAKING HARD
« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2012, 03:42:09 am »
So I started reading through this and I was like WTF ENTITY TOKENS!?

Anyway, maybe you should look in the errorlog.txt in future...
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I think it's the way towns develop now. In the beginning, people move into a town. Then they start producing tables, which results in more and more tables. Soon tables represent a significant portion of the population, they start lobbying for new laws and regulations, putting people to greater and greater disadvantage...
Link for full quote. 'tis mighty funny.

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Re: THIS IS FREAKING HARD
« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2012, 01:46:23 pm »
Quote from: Crazy Cow on June 07, 2012, 03:04:34 am
Quote from: Shaso on June 06, 2012, 11:17:40 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuOIPo7OEoY#t=01m57s

^Kaiserr steps up to the computer to modify a creature...

Do you have any idea how much I love you?
I /remember/ that movie. I remember watching it when I was, like, ten. Excuse me while I watch the whole fething thing again while singing your praises.

D:

The shocking realization that movie came out 13 years ago makes me feel so incredibly old. It feels like something that just came out a couple years ago or something, oh geez.
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Re: THIS IS FREAKING HARD
« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2012, 05:36:25 pm »
I don't even KNOW.

My first creature was a copy-paste of a human, then I removed the castes, changed the color of everything (including blood), added horns, and other stuff. But I didn't quite try to make it from the ground up as you seem to have >_>
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