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[Neonivek]

From my childhood I remember wacthing only Samurai Jack and Last Airbender. All the other stuff aired just filled the time between those two for me. All the other cartoons I saw I watched during past two years.

In all fairness your a 2000s kid... outside a few select good shows there was nothing good on.

[Comrade P.]

From my childhood I remember wacthing only Samurai Jack and Last Airbender. All the other stuff aired just filled the time between those two for me. All the other cartoons I saw I watched during past two years.

In all fairness your a 2000s kid... outside a few select good shows there was nothing good on.

Mid-90's. In Russia those shows were aired later.

[Neonivek]

Mind you I am not entirely serious... While the early 2000s saw a rather major slow down, this was mostly because the 90s shows were ending and there wasn't too much to take its place.

The 2000s still had Justice League and Justice League Unlimited for example.

And 2010s is actually picking up!

[Putnam]

From my childhood I remember wacthing only Samurai Jack and Last Airbender. All the other stuff aired just filled the time between those two for me. All the other cartoons I saw I watched during past two years.

In all fairness your a 2000s kid... outside a few select good shows there was nothing good on.

Mid-90's. In Russia those shows were aired later.

Wait, what was mid-90's? 2000s kid refers to when you grew up, not were born. I was very much one o' them, spending basically my entire remembered childhood there despite being born in 1995.

[UXLZ]

2000 is like, exactly when I first gained conscious memory.

[Comrade P.]

From my childhood I remember wacthing only Samurai Jack and Last Airbender. All the other stuff aired just filled the time between those two for me. All the other cartoons I saw I watched during past two years.

In all fairness your a 2000s kid... outside a few select good shows there was nothing good on.

Mid-90's. In Russia those shows were aired later.

Wait, what was mid-90's? 2000s kid refers to when you grew up, not were born. I was very much one o' them, spending basically my entire remembered childhood there despite being born in 1995.

Okay then, 2000's.

2000 is like, exactly when I first gained conscious memory.

Also true for me.

[Glowcat]

If I like X, then person A saying "I don't like X because the artstyle isn't my thing" or "I can't connect to the stories" is perfectly valid and ok.

However, if A says "I don't like X because it degenerates women" then that implies I enjoy things that degenerate women. And since I like to think that's not the case, there's a clear difference with the previous. Couple that with the fact that person A then displays a very lacking knowledge of the subject, I do see why that would really tick people of.

For comparison: If I like reading, and you don't because you can't get into a story that way, that's ok. But if you don't like reading, and then go on to proclaim that's because "books are just filthy smut and power fantasies" (implying that I, as a known reading fan, am into that stuff), and then couple that with saying "Oh yeah, I've only ever read fifty shades of grey, and none of the thousands of other books out there" then I think you can see where the problem lies.

Not that Smee's point wasn't incredibly screwy, with using hentai for her example versus non-adult cartoons, instead of comparing shows with even comparable target demographic age ranges, but anime does have some hella problematic aspects. Some which are categorically different from those present in western animation. I don't like anime when it does degenerate women, but I like anime *points to current avatar*. Usually I can tolerate the problematic parts of anime, though some nonsense, like the heaving boob or panty shot, tends to make me find something less insipid or at least throw me out of the story with a groan.

I tend to agree with Katherine Cross that anime has potential despite of its problems.

And Revolutionary Girl Utena is required watching, by like, Feminist Law or something.

[Caz]

Not that Smee's point wasn't incredibly screwy, with using hentai for her example versus non-adult cartoons, instead of comparing shows with even comparable target demographic age ranges, but anime does have some hella problematic aspects. Some which are categorically different from those present in western animation. I don't like anime when it does degenerate women, but I like anime *points to current avatar*. Usually I can tolerate the problematic parts of anime, though some nonsense, like the heaving boob or panty shot, tends to make me find something less insipid or at least throw me out of the story with a groan.

I tend to agree with Katherine Cross that anime has potential despite of its problems.

And Revolutionary Girl Utena is required watching, by like, Feminist Law or something.

Yeah, originating from an extremely socially conservative country re: women's rights doesn't help. There are definitely some good animes that break this mould though.

[Radio Controlled]

Not that Smee's point wasn't incredibly screwy, with using hentai for her example versus non-adult cartoons, instead of comparing shows with even comparable target demographic age ranges, but anime does have some hella problematic aspects.

Oh, it probably does. Really, the point was that one can't in honesty debate the topic when one doesn't know enough about the subject to make fair judgements. But I agree that anime sometimes has annoying aspects ("oh sure, when I'm watching a cool action adventure, then random fanservice without any connection to the plot or character development is just what we need to tell a compelling story").

[UXLZ]

So... 'Bout that new Loony Toons...?

[Neonivek]

Guys we have a perfectly good Anime thread for a talk about anime.

There is a reason why even when REALLY ticked off, I didn't just defend anime except in PMs to Smeeprocket.

So... 'Bout that new Loony Toons...?

At first I HATED the new Lola bunny, like immensely but that is because at first she just REALLY REALLY wasn't funny to me and so it felt like they took a character who finally found her niche, being the serious character among unserious ones, and made her bland and unfunny.

But then came the Drivers Test episode

And ohh boy... If you disliked Lola prior to the episode you will become a fully convert because she was hilarious! Honestly it was the first time the show just made me on the edge of my seat in hilarity.

Seriously if you never watched the new Loony Toons Show... Just watch that one episode.

[smeeprocket]

I'm just gonna apologize about my anime comments outright. My intent wasn't (at least consciously) to get people upset. I was inconsiderate and dismissive, and I'm sorry.

[Erkki]

I haven't followed "Western" animations much(anime even less) and I dont know many really good ones besides South Park, but I've read cartoons. My favorites are  Moebius (Jean Giraud) and Jean-Claude Mézičres - for Blueberry and Valerian.

[Neonivek]

Yeah "Western" because a vague term once you get shows like...

Cybersix which is French...

And Winx Club which is Italian

Cybersix is better then her appearance might suggest (well, to others... I think she looks fine and her High Heels actually work for her) and honestly the plotlines are often incredibly sad and touching. The Comic I cannot comment too much on as I barely seen it, but it sure is different... I prefer the overly short cartoon
http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs6/i/2005/096/6/1/Cybersix__unoriginally_titled_by_IvD_ICE.jpg

While Winx club is INCREDIBLY mixed... Just don't get attached to any of the male characters, they just sort of become... a detriment to the show.

[penguinofhonor]

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