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Author Topic: [MODDING] CREATURE & ENTITY QUESTIONS THREAD  (Read 694166 times)

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Re: [MODDING] CREATURE & ENTITY QUESTIONS THREAD
« Reply #1830 on: June 10, 2016, 12:39:05 am »
I've never tried to deal with modding so please be patient with me (and my way of writing).

I don't want to suffer from hunger and thirst in adventure mode, but without altering neither the worldgeneration nor the Fortress Mode. So my question is, how do you exactly create (respectively copy) a race, remove the the hunger and thirst. The copied race should be keept out of world generation, since only the player should generate it by creating a character in adventure mode. Is that even possible?
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« Reply #1831 on: June 10, 2016, 12:46:29 am »
Yes it is. An Adventurer only race may be created, and can be set up so that the only time they exist is when they are created in Adventure Mode.

What you will need to do, if you are simply creating a copy of a pre-existing creature, is change the creature's ID, add in the tokens [NO_EAT] and [NO_DRINK] pretty much anywhere in the raw definitions, and if they are not playable as an outsider normally, then add [OUTSIDER_CONTROLLABLE].

To change the ID, change the token [CREATURE:X] into anything that is not currently used.

The standard creatures such as Humans, Elves, Dwarves, and Goblins are found in creature_standard.txt

Another alternative is to create an Adventurer-only reaction that creates a substance that will give your Adventurer a syndrome that will remove hunger and thirst.
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« Reply #1832 on: June 10, 2016, 01:15:45 am »
Thank you, BlackFlyme. Let's see if I can make it work. ^^
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Re: [MODDING] CREATURE & ENTITY QUESTIONS THREAD
« Reply #1833 on: June 10, 2016, 04:46:10 am »
Another way that may or may not be "easier" is to make a new material that boils away at normal temp (or is used for a fake plant or something you can eat) and has a inhaled/ingested syndrome to add [NO_EAT] and [NO_DRINK]. Then throw together a quick adventurer reaction to let you poof a boulder/fake plant of that material into existence and get to not needing food or drink.

No creature duplicating required, and it can be used on anything you can adventure as.

The wiki pages on Interaction and Syndrome tokens should help you figure out how to put all that together, with helpful boiling rock info at the bottom of the Syndrome page.
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Re: [MODDING] CREATURE & ENTITY QUESTIONS THREAD
« Reply #1834 on: June 10, 2016, 02:11:11 pm »
Dumb question: Is there any way to make an interaction that directly inflicts a syndrome without having to spew materials everywhere and slow down the game?
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Re: [MODDING] CREATURE & ENTITY QUESTIONS THREAD
« Reply #1835 on: June 10, 2016, 03:33:36 pm »
Quote from: leafbarrett on June 10, 2016, 02:11:11 pm
Dumb question: Is there any way to make an interaction that directly inflicts a syndrome without having to spew materials everywhere and slow down the game?
Yes. Replace MATERIAL_EMISSION with ADD_SYNDROME. Look at the wiki or the "interaction examples" folder for more info.
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Re: [MODDING] CREATURE & ENTITY QUESTIONS THREAD
« Reply #1836 on: June 10, 2016, 04:35:10 pm »
No dumb questions. Only silly ideas.

Here's an example Curse from default mummies.

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[INTERACTION:EXAMPLE CURSE]
[I_TARGET:A:CREATURE]
[IT_LOCATION:CONTEXT_CREATURE]
[IT_CANNOT_TARGET_IF_ALREADY_AFFECTED]
[IT_MANUAL_INPUT:victim]
[I_EFFECT:ADD_SYNDROME]
[IE_TARGET:A]
[IE_IMMEDIATE]
[IE_ARENA_NAME:Cursed]
[SYNDROME]
[CE_SKILL_ROLL_ADJUST:PERC:0:PERC_ON:20:START:0]
Then you just need to add the ability to use the interaction to the creature.
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Re: [MODDING] CREATURE & ENTITY QUESTIONS THREAD
« Reply #1837 on: June 11, 2016, 05:15:44 am »
I need a little help with making one of my drolth swords multi-grasp for my new beast: Drudagul, it's an intelligent size 5100000 behemoth with fel-orcish look to it.

I have made my ischronite metal just so that it combines adamantine and platinum but the issue is that one of the drolth-swords needs to be a multi-grasp thing.

EDIT: Well... this is awkward. Once again I find the solution. You see.. thing was that my creature isn't really size 5,100,000 thanks to BROADNESS 123, HEIGHT 103 and LENGTH 101. So once again I delved into the realms of Tzeentch to seek answers and knowledge and so I did this: 5100000 x 1.27 = 6477000

And thus I did this:

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And it worked. Now I just need to test it in the arena in actual combat as the issue was I couldn't get the damn thing to be multigrasp.
« Last Edit: June 11, 2016, 06:01:40 am by Droggarth »
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Re: [MODDING] CREATURE & ENTITY QUESTIONS THREAD
« Reply #1838 on: June 11, 2016, 03:18:55 pm »
Quote from: BlackFlyme on June 10, 2016, 12:46:29 am
Yes it is. An Adventurer only race may be created, and can be set up so that the only time they exist is when they are created in Adventure Mode.

What you will need to do, if you are simply creating a copy of a pre-existing creature, is change the creature's ID, add in the tokens [NO_EAT] and [NO_DRINK] pretty much anywhere in the raw definitions, and if they are not playable as an outsider normally, then add [OUTSIDER_CONTROLLABLE].

To change the ID, change the token [CREATURE:X] into anything that is not currently used.

The standard creatures such as Humans, Elves, Dwarves, and Goblins are found in creature_standard.txt

Another alternative is to create an Adventurer-only reaction that creates a substance that will give your Adventurer a syndrome that will remove hunger and thirst.

Okay, I tried and failed.

I copied all the human code, insert it the bottom and changed the name but it didn't appear in the game.

Redcolored what I changed:
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Re: [MODDING] CREATURE & ENTITY QUESTIONS THREAD
« Reply #1839 on: June 11, 2016, 03:25:05 pm »
For the creature to appear, you need to generate a new world based on those raws.
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Re: [MODDING] CREATURE & ENTITY QUESTIONS THREAD
« Reply #1840 on: June 11, 2016, 03:33:23 pm »
Quote from: Dirst on June 11, 2016, 03:25:05 pm
For the creature to appear, you need to generate a new world based on those raws.
That was it. Thank you!
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Re: [MODDING] CREATURE & ENTITY QUESTIONS THREAD
« Reply #1841 on: June 12, 2016, 04:10:51 am »
Okay, next Problem:

A couple of skills disappeard for all races, like Armor and Shield Skill.
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How did I break this?
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Re: [MODDING] CREATURE & ENTITY QUESTIONS THREAD
« Reply #1842 on: June 12, 2016, 05:26:07 am »
Quote from: Showbiz on June 12, 2016, 04:10:51 am
Okay, next Problem:

A couple of skills disappeard for all races, like Armor and Shield Skill.
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How did I break this?

I'm guessing you added a bunch of NATURAL_SKILL stuff. Did that too.. doesn't work for an adventurer. Would honestly prefer that wasn't the case as it's really fucking irritating to waste time on trying to get necessary skills up like armor and shield as an outsider, especially now that even SKILL_LEARN_RATES:500 doesn't work and you could spends dozens of minutes just getting a single skill like leadership or sword up to legendary with 1000000000000+ I dunno something items in your inventory and then wasting more time dropping that crap with a macro. DFtool solves that for me sort of but I'm waiting for DFhack as that's something that truly can give me ALL of the skills without wasting time and without making me lose my motivation to play the game.

Honestly there have been too many cases of me leveling something up or modding something and failing and then burning out and thus when I finally get to actually play the game.. I'm too burned out and tired to even play and when I finally get back to DF after a break.. some update happens and I go "FUUUCK!!!".

Honestly once the DFhack catches up for 0.43.03+ I'm done getting bothered by updates as I'm borderline sick of having to deal with early-access kind of farce with everything and I wanna PLAY THE FUCKING GAME ALREADY THE WAY I WANNA PLAY IT GODFUCKINGDAMNIT!!!
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Re: [MODDING] CREATURE & ENTITY QUESTIONS THREAD
« Reply #1843 on: June 12, 2016, 01:29:50 pm »
Okay, I asked in a topic and maybe in here before for stuff regarding a creature meant to control ice. Well, I'm kinda out of ideas, as it's a caste of a multi-caste race that is isn't made strictly of creatures that are cold-immune, meaning I can't just make a breath attack that spews ultracold material and expect it to end well. Anyone have any ideas on what I can do with this creature?
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Re: [MODDING] CREATURE & ENTITY QUESTIONS THREAD
« Reply #1844 on: June 12, 2016, 03:44:08 pm »
You can give them an interaction that launches the material as a liquid glob which will spatter on the target at range. If the materials boiling point is below its fixed temperature, it should then promptly explode into a gaseous form. If that material has a syndrome attached or is cold enough on its own it should take effect then and there. That will help keep friendlies out of harms way, mostly.
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