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Voting closed: April 07, 2013, 10:34:35 am

[SeriousConcentrate]

(Thear/Patrick, if I was playing 'favorites', I would have gotten Tiruin and wolfchild on my team because I consider them friends, and maybe Toaster because while I don't know what Lars is good at I admire how dedicated he is to playing that character. Just saying, don't accuse people of things they haven't done. :\)

[piecewise]

The budget will depend on what the mission itself is and bonuses will be included after. There will be no base pay that you get regardless of the mission success or failure, but the amount of tokens available for the budget will vary depending on the number of people and the dangerousness or toughness of the mission. And yeah, sometimes equipment, especially specialized stuff, will be given to the team for free. Probably see that more if you're in milno's group though, since his missions will often be handled differently and have gear restrictions.

Basically, you might not be making 5 tokens per mission anymore, especially if it's a short, easy mission and you either screw it up or just go idle most the time, but you also won't have to waste money on buying your own weapons and ammo much of the time. So while it's less in theory, it evens out because you remove a lot of other costs.

That reminds me, Hey, Milno, You chosen the two of your four who are going to help you here in a bit?

The idea itself is good I think, the only problem I have is letting team leaders give out the payment at the end. It might work well if team leaders are fair. If they aren't then they and there friends will get most of the tokens and the rest get shafted.

Thats something that should stay with Steve to decide so team leaders can't be bribed, coerced or just flat out decide to abuse the power.

I dunno. The concept of corruption and favoritism playing out amongst the characters is pretty interesting.

Regardless, If I notice something like that going on in a really obvious way for no real reason, then I'll shut it down and divide them more evenly. But, I mean, if a character is literally idle the entire mission or they basically do nothing but screw things up for everyone, I can totally get behind not giving people like that money.

And If people really don't like the idea of other characters controlling the money, I guess I can do it. But I'd like to give it a try at least once before we all collapse neath the fear of Jim's inevitable decent into being drunk with power.

[Thearpox]

(Thear/Patrick, if I was playing 'favorites', I would have gotten Tiruin and wolfchild on my team because I consider them friends, and maybe Toaster because while I don't know what Lars is good at I admire how dedicated he is to playing that character. Just saying, don't accuse people of things they haven't done. :\)

And I'm wary of relying too much on mission leaders. I think we can all agree that Miyamoto and Jim are good guys, but something changes, or you get someone who's not so good, and it all goes to magma traps. And even with them, you begin introducing even more favor politics, and while that's interesting, I wouldn't that to play an even bigger part of the game. So I think it should be less mission leaders and more of a Steve + Community decide.

((Don't accuse people of accusing you when they haven't done so.

I was talking about the limitations and the dangers of the system, not Jim.))

[Empiricist]

((Calm down, let's just leave the accusations and insinuations for in-character interactions shall we? It would be quite interesting after all...))

[Lenglon]

((how would renting weapons and using their ammo work? if ran the weapon dry, would you be deducted the ammo cost of the weapon since you can't return the ammo?))

[Sean Mirrsen]

((how would renting weapons and using their ammo work? if ran the weapon dry, would you be deducted the ammo cost of the weapon since you can't return the ammo?))

((Standard Armory fare would apply, I think. It's only logical.

Corollary: It doesn't matter whether you use up one bullet or the whole clip for returning the weapon - so any unowned object in sight when you're waiting for extraction is good target practice. ))

[Patrick Hunt]

It wasn't an accusation it was more of a warning, if you give control of the payment to a player then they can find any number of ways to justify how they pay the team to favor or harm those they do or don't like based solely on personal opinion and the rest of the team can do nothing at all about it.

So unless the team leaders are people that you can guarantee will always be fair then it has a lot of risk, plus the loss of a guaranteed payment of 5 tokens tends to favor older characters a great deal because a new player with low skills is far more likely to fail rolls then an older player so the older players are likely to consistently gain more tokens per mission then newer players if you base it off performance allowing them to buy better equipment for themselves maintaining that lead so they will continue to perform better. Not a complaint just a point to consider, without a guaranteed payment new players are at a huge disadvantage.

Th guaranteed 5 at least made it so new players would always make a decent amount even if the dice screw them up, I can understand cutting the payment to those who go inactive, but people who mess up then losing most of there pay just means they're going to keep messing up for longer because they can't get personal equipment to help them improve.

[Empiricist]

((Except you end up in situations like mission 10 where May just terrorized civilians and got no bonuses while Lyra got bonuses for saving Feyri. Even thought he former is a veteran and the latter was on her first mission. Bias based on personal experience is necessary so long as it does not go out of hand. While the players are qquite reasonable their character are not, it may be out of character for them to be unbiased.))

[Xantalos]

((Except you end up in situations like mission 10 where May just terrorized civilians and got no bonuses while Lyra got bonuses for saving Feyri. Even thought he former is a veteran and the latter was on her first mission.))

((And I got no tokens and got electrocuted, while everyone else except Stacy got tokens.))

[Empiricist]

((You got the standard 5. It's assumed unless stated otherwise.))

[Patrick Hunt]

Not really a good example, say me and guy on 5 missions both do the same thing and have similar characters. I have a chance of a +1 at best on my rolls, he has a guaranteed +1 maybe guaranteed +2 from level ups and a chance at a +3. Just factoring in stats alone older characters can roll worse then new characters and still easily out perform them from equipment and level meaning they gain more tokens in payment purely because they are veterans and have better odds.

If the whole team acts properly then odds are veterans will consistently out perform rookies so unless veteran performance gets reduced rewards over that of rookies it leaves rookies with high odds of gaining minimal payment simply because they stood no hope of performing better then the veterans.

Not factoring in how players choose to act and going purely off stats, kit and odds unless you judge rookies a lot more leniently then veterans and give veterans reduced payments then most of the time rookies are going to find it extremely difficult just to attempt to outfit themselves to stand any hope of gaining better payment without borrowing huge amounts and preying for random luck with the doctor or boxes to get enough of a boost to perform effectively.

[Xantalos]

((You got the standard 5. It's assumed unless stated otherwise.))

My briefing consisted of several seconds of electrocution and he mentioned no tokens.

[piecewise]

((You got the standard 5. It's assumed unless stated otherwise.))

My briefing consisted of several seconds of electrocution and he mentioned no tokens.

You got your five. Don't worry.

[GreatWyrmGold]

((Patrick: There are missions composed of newbies for precisely that reason.))

[Xantalos]

((You got the standard 5. It's assumed unless stated otherwise.))

My briefing consisted of several seconds of electrocution and he mentioned no tokens.

You got your five. Don't worry.

Oh really? Huh. I was okay with getting no tokens for accidentally murdering several hundred people, but I'll take those tokens.