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ochtendjas

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Expedition leader
« on: April 11, 2012, 02:39:36 pm »

Hi, I'm ochtendjas, and I'm new to the game. I watched some tutorials though, so I'm not that a noob.
My problem is, when i embark on my world, I have prepared my dwarves with skills. I made the last dwarf on the list my leader (he is also a doctor). I gave him novice in all the doctor skills, aquedate in appraiser and competent leader. But now my expedition leader (who will become the mayor, and thus is pretty important) Is my miner! I only gave him proficient mining. Shouldn't the dwarf with the leader skills be the leader? Or is this chosen random? Anyway, how do I choose my expedition leader?

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Re: Expedition leader
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2012, 02:47:14 pm »

Hello Bathrobe. :P

Welcome to the game and the forums, yadda yadda yadda.

To your question: The "leader" skill refers to a currently rather useless military skill instead of a skill related to the actual leading of your fort. You're the forts' leader, for all intents and purposes.

I generally make the last dwarf on my embark list expedition leader as well as broker and I've never had it fail. I tend to give him/her appraiser because of the obvious use in trading, but judge of intent helps in trading too and that one seems linked to becoming expedition leader.

My expedition leader also often doubles as record keeper/manager, but I don't think those skills have an effect.
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Re: Expedition leader
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2012, 02:47:36 pm »

It is pretty random, and you can't choose it from embark.
I think you might be able to elect a new one from the Nobles Screen.
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Re: Expedition leader
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2012, 02:54:09 pm »

The leader is in 99% cases - dwarf with highest social skills. Usually that's why traders with judge intent are in this position.
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« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2012, 03:04:07 pm »

Exactly.

When your fort grows big enough, the function of expedition leader transforms into that of Mayor. At first the mayor will be your former expedition leader but a dwarf with higher social skills (conversationalist, flatterer, that kind of thing) will then be elected to the position instead.

I'm not sure how much time this takes though; dwarves never bothered to say they've elected a new mayor.
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Re: Expedition leader
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2012, 03:21:21 pm »

Your expedition leader doesn't necessarily become your mayor. Mine seldom seems to. Probably because I have mine be a miner and he's too busy all the time to develop social skills and friends. Someone else who has idle time makes friends, and the dwarf with the most friends gets elected to be mayor (or at least that's what I've always heard - I haven't really tested it).
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Re: Expedition leader
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2012, 03:26:08 pm »

Ok, so the dwarf with the highest Judge Of Intent
will become leader, and otherwise it's random.

Anyway, thanks all!  ;)
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Re: Expedition leader
« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2012, 03:30:12 pm »

...The "leader" skill refers to a currently rather useless military skill...


wait the leader skill is useless? ffffffFFFFFFFFFUUUUoh well im doing good anyways
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Re: Expedition leader
« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2012, 03:39:02 pm »

Your expedition leader doesn't necessarily become your mayor. Mine seldom seems to. Probably because I have mine be a miner and he's too busy all the time to develop social skills and friends. Someone else who has idle time makes friends, and the dwarf with the most friends gets elected to be mayor (or at least that's what I've always heard - I haven't really tested it).

I'm pretty sure the very first mayor is the same dwarf who was your expedition leader before. Might not last very long and you don't get a warning so it could be just missed it. :P



Ok, so the dwarf with the highest Judge Of Intent
will become leader, and otherwise it's random.

Anyway, thanks all!  ;)

Judge of intent is one of the skills. This could help.
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Re: Expedition leader
« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2012, 05:38:19 pm »

Ive got two people competing for mayor atm, their only similarity being lvl 8 intimidator. One is a flatterer, the other a comedian, one is a pacifier the other a persuader. They oust one another from office every so often, quite funny actually.

"Oh the mayor ordered a construction, let's make another armor stand."
"Nope floodgate."
"Oh so we did win the elections, it's not as if anything changed."
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Re: Expedition leader
« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2012, 05:40:54 pm »

Usually whoever has the highest social/admin skills with be the first leader, then it's like mayoral elections.

Friends = officeship.

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« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2012, 08:49:30 am »

Ive got two people competing for mayor atm, their only similarity being lvl 8 intimidator.

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« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2012, 09:26:20 am »

yup. That's how I think the elections go, then one would go
"and such a good looking face it is, I really wouldn't want to do that" (flatterer/consoler)
the other "Hah, just kidding, but serious, I'm the best candidate" (comedian/persuader)

I remembered a third dwarf that occasionally got into the mix (been going 14 years now) who is a consoler, conversationalist, judge of intent and an even more skilled intimidator. I almost feel sorry for the people living there. Very unhappy, complain to the mayor and getting threathened. "Try to pull off any kind of trouble and you'll get a hammer to the face, kid. Now go back to your work and don't let me hear of any trouble from you, got it? Next time I won't be so nice, now get lost!"
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Re: Expedition leader
« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2012, 09:59:20 am »

To your question: The "leader" skill refers to a currently rather useless military skill instead of a skill related to the actual leading of your fort. You're the forts' leader, for all intents and purposes.

Leading is not a useless military skill :I

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Re: Expedition leader
« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2012, 10:12:21 am »

To your question: The "leader" skill refers to a currently rather useless military skill instead of a skill related to the actual leading of your fort. You're the forts' leader, for all intents and purposes.

Leading is not a useless military skill :I

One good teacher can bring a squad of peasants up to proficient everything with good scheduling...

Leader and teacher are two different skills.
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