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[Kaos]

As the tin says, my 34.06 fort has seen like 3 elven caravans, one year my depot was accidentally inaccessible so no wagons but then I fixed it, I got human and dwarven wagons, but when the time came for elves again, they only brought 3 pack animals...

I didn't get the usual "caravan bypasses inaccessible depot" or whatever, I checked again, and it was accessible, they just didn't bring any wagons...

So are wagons broken for elves? is this WAD?

[white_darkness]

Elves never brought wagons if my 40d memory serves.  Was another reason to hate them like the tree-cutting quotas.

Presumably, it was because wagons and roads were damaging to the environment.

[Kaos]

do modding them in need a regen?

stupid elves... 

[white_darkness]

Unfortunately, I have no idea.  I just buy booze, wood, weird animals, and that's it from the elves.  Typically don't overload them.

The humans though, I give those suckers all kinds of crap.

Someone might know though.

[Broseph Stalin]

Elves apparently grow wood into useful objects, I can't imagine them doing that with a wagon.

[Sphalerite]

Entity changes - including adding wagons - requires a world regen.

[Kaos]

Entity changes - including adding wagons - requires a world regen.

.... stupid, stupid elves... no wonder people here is always suggesting fun stuff to do to them...

couldn't they at least bring a shit-ton of pack animals?

[Sphalerite]

What, they aren't bringing enough bins of cloth for you already?

[wierd]

Elves apparently grow wood into useful objects, I can't imagine them doing that with a wagon.

Pleaching and grafting can only do so much.  They might be able to grow the parts of a wagon though.... if they could overcome the revulsion they would have over emulating a practice other races engage in that results in the deaths of many of their sexual partners "beloved trees".

I see elves more likely to hitch a giant wheelbarrow up to a donkey like a cart, than to actually use a real wagon, and that is pushing it.  They might accept a foriegn made wagon if it was made excusively of metal and stone, and forged without using tree products.  Naturally, to purchase something like that with their hippy knittings and tie-dye homespun crap items, would certainly take a considerable investment that would place it beyond the normal scope of elven merchant ownership.

Really, when I imagine toady's elves, I imagine smelly valley area burnout beach bums, complete with the ragged homespun shawls, bad teeth, frizzy hair, and batshit crazy and internally conflicted views of "nature." (Sorry elves... mother nature has a fondness for adorable fuzzy babies. They are like her peanutbutter sandwiches, or teacakes. She serves em up fast and plentiful, and just can't get enough.  Chicks? Ducklings? Rabbit kits? They're what's for dinner! Often gruesomely, and still alive while being eaten too. Mother nature likes her baby fresh and squirming. She and kodkod have a lot in common. )

It's a wonder any of them survive outdoors at all, really... being at peace with nature.....

[KodKod]

Chicks? Ducklings? Rabbit kits? They're what's for dinner! Often gruesomely, and still alive while being eaten too. Mother nature likes her baby fresh and squirming. She and kodkod have a lot in common. )

Why'd you have to go and make me hungry? Do you know how difficult it is to get live baby animal at 1 o'clock in the morning?

The smaller ones are the best, the way they squirm is delightful, and some of them are even bitesize.

[kaenneth]

KodKod was kicked out of a pet shop for asking if red or white wine would be better with her purchase.

[Loud Whispers]

KodKod was kicked out of a pet shop for asking if red or white wine would be better with her purchase.

That look when you point at an African Tarantula... Priceless.

[wierd]

KodKod was kicked out of a pet shop for asking if red or white wine would be better with her purchase.

Depends entirely on the kind of baby in question. Tradition says to use a white wine with fish and poultry. Rabbit is, iirc, permissible to have either served, depending on preparation.  Beef and lamb (mmmmm... veal!) Almost always are served with red.

I think romans served red with baby mice.... I will have to research that one.

Tarantula would be difficult to place, but I am thinking it would be ok with shrimp cocktail dressing.

African grey parrot would most certainly be served with a dry white.

Not that elves would appreciate any of these fine choices in gastronomy. Their predudices prevent them from harming any form of animal life directly, so when they aren't eating berries and seaweed, they are eating rotting carrion and sapient corpses.

Clearly this is what contributes to their pathological worldviews, and bizzare social hierarchies. I would imagine KJD (in the form of kuru) would be quite endemic, as would a number of other neruologically debilitating illnesses, such as tapeworms (they can grow in neural tissue!), menningitis, equine encephalitus, rocky mountain spotted fever, lyme disease, tritchinosis, etc.

That elves routinely live to be 1000 years old, while living right out in the open with bugs and parasitical infection vectors, I would seriously question the mental health of such antiquarian specimines.

Killing them is clearly a mercy.

[KodKod]

KodKod was kicked out of a pet shop for asking if red or white wine would be better with her purchase.

Personally I'm more of a Rosé drinker by preference, but that wont stop me from choosing a more appropriate wine for any given meal. When I was a child my parents insisted on giving me an extensive wine-education whenever I had a big meal, and with the drinking age in a restaurant being sixteen, or at home being... five, well they gave me plenty of time to learn. That said, I still find myself at a loss as to what to serve with Tarantula. Naturally it needs to be extensively prepared first, I wouldn't want any urticating hairs stuck in my throat, but that takes away half of the fun, so I've shyed away from such things.

Now I think the important question to ask is what do elves taste like? Or for that matter, would they be safe to eat without being extensively cooked first, considering how diseased they may be? Frankly if that is the case I would quickly lose interest, half the quality of a good meal is in how well it fights back; they're no good to me dead. I would think that they would have a distinctly more earthy taste than man-flesh.

Either way I'd be necessary to wash them first. Goodness knows where the smelly hippies have been.

[wierd]

I'm jealous now.  Having american parents, I was denied the joys of formal culinary ettiquette and wine education.  I am at a total loss of when to serve port vs pignon noir, and outside of a fancy culinary education that costs more than I would care to spend, especially in this recession, I don't have any real means of picking that up, despite the interest.

Cooking has always been one of my guilty pleasures, and the wine served with a meal is for more than just aesthetic purposes. An improper selection can completely ruin a fine meal, as the subtleties in the wine can bring hidden depths of the meal's flavor to prominence on the pallet. (Not that I need to tell you that of course.....)

With the exception of the south, american cooking is very lacking in refinement, or heritige. (Southern cooking can net you something as sublime as a pecan pie, or something as base as fried opossum.... depends on the region, and the heritage of the culture who's cooking your are recreating.  Those of french ancestry tend to have more difficult and sophisticated dishes, but nothing compared to real french cuisine.)

European culture has a very extensive history with cookery, with centuries of refinement and protocol for proper preparation and presentation, that makes american food look like a cheap whore in comparison. I greatly envy your childhood education.  I learned how to cook bombs.  You can't eat bombs. (well, the french kind you can.... with icecream, and fruit filling......but that's not the kind dad insisted I learn about.)

If it weren't for the US's TSA "pornoscopic examination", complete with manual grope and tickle, I would consider a european vacation sometime.  (That and the absurd costs of international travel...)

*sigh*