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[Doomblade187]

((Amps need line of sight, but manipulators do not I believe, as you are inputting coordinates.))

((I thought I heard something about sensing with the amps. Ah well. We'll find out soon enough.))

[kisame12794]

((Ah, that's right. He has the same sensors a Ghostship has. I have no idea how they work, what their range is, and what they can and cannot sense, so yeah. We are so fucked.))

[PyroDesu]

((Do note that those sensors only really provide awareness of what's around him. So, he'll be nearby, and likely with a LOS anyways (sensors vs. thick metal wreckage? I doubt the sensors win.)))

[IronyOwl]

((So... do we have a plan? I mean, even as far as what weapons are capable of inconveniencing him?))

[Xantalos]

((Amps need line of sight, but manipulators do not I believe, as you are inputting coordinates.))

((I thought I heard something about sensing with the amps. Ah well. We'll find out soon enough.))

((No, you don't need LOS for amps, you just need to know where something is, as evidenced by Jim when he set a couch on fire in the serial killer mission despite being outside the house.))

[Empiricist]

((Amps need line of sight, but manipulators do not I believe, as you are inputting coordinates.))

((I thought I heard something about sensing with the amps. Ah well. We'll find out soon enough.))

((No, you don't need LOS for amps, you just need to know where something is, as evidenced by Jim when he set a couch on fire in the serial killer mission despite being outside the house.))

((Which is why I'm bemused that no one ever seems to use the turret or other people's view feeds to aim their attacks from a safe distance.))

[Xantalos]

((Amps need line of sight, but manipulators do not I believe, as you are inputting coordinates.))

((I thought I heard something about sensing with the amps. Ah well. We'll find out soon enough.))

((No, you don't need LOS for amps, you just need to know where something is, as evidenced by Jim when he set a couch on fire in the serial killer mission despite being outside the house.))

((Which is why I'm bemused that no one ever seems to use the turret or other people's view feeds to aim their attacks from a safe distance.))

((Because that's not the MANLY option of course.))

[Toaster]

((Amps need line of sight, but manipulators do not I believe, as you are inputting coordinates.))

((I thought I heard something about sensing with the amps. Ah well. We'll find out soon enough.))

((No, you don't need LOS for amps, you just need to know where something is, as evidenced by Jim when he set a couch on fire in the serial killer mission despite being outside the house.))

((Also hitting a door close button from the elevator shaft a few floors up in Mission 8.  As long as you know where the target area is, the amps work.))

[GreatWyrmGold]

((Does a gauss rifle count as heavy ordnance?))

((Did it have its guts ripped out to make an electrolaser? If not, it's a ton heavier than what Grate has.))

((Amps need line of sight, but manipulators do not I believe, as you are inputting coordinates.))

((I thought I heard something about sensing with the amps. Ah well. We'll find out soon enough.))

((No, you don't need LOS for amps, you just need to know where something is, as evidenced by Jim when he set a couch on fire in the serial killer mission despite being outside the house.))

((Which is why I'm bemused that no one ever seems to use the turret or other people's view feeds to aim their attacks from a safe distance.))

((I'd imagine that there's a penalty, since you're not quite sure where it is in relation to you.))

[Unholy_Pariah]

((Actually im thinking that sticking around after looting michael might be a bad idea... HMRC personnell armed with space magic fighting in a small tunnel...

I dont fancy our survival chances if someone overloads a manipulator...))

[Sean Mirrsen]

((Does a gauss rifle count as heavy ordnance?))

((Did it have its guts ripped out to make an electrolaser? If not, it's a ton heavier than what Grate has.))

((No, it didn't. Ask and ye shall receive, Anton has both another weapon, and an MFM to keep him armed.))

((Amps need line of sight, but manipulators do not I believe, as you are inputting coordinates.))

((I thought I heard something about sensing with the amps. Ah well. We'll find out soon enough.))

((No, you don't need LOS for amps, you just need to know where something is, as evidenced by Jim when he set a couch on fire in the serial killer mission despite being outside the house.))

((Which is why I'm bemused that no one ever seems to use the turret or other people's view feeds to aim their attacks from a safe distance.))

((I'd imagine that there's a penalty, since you're not quite sure where it is in relation to you.))

((Unless you know the area inside and out, and have perfect recollection of where the camera is and how it is pointing, just seeing the target on a screen won't help you much. You're more likely to accidentally attack the screen, and even with perfect aim your attack will be off target.

Which is why I'm setting up a special "LOS Relay" drone, that feeds precise coordinates relative to the manipulator to the user. ^_^))

[Kriellya]

((Manipulator or amp?  If it's an amp, it was probably scrambled along with your brain.

Also Auron is there and he has a looting fetish, so he'll probably grab it for you.))

(( He had manipulators. A magnetic and a microwave. Loot away, beware of spikes ))

[Radio Controlled]

((By the way, just letting ya'll know that stuff looted from teammates goes into the 'reward fund' at the end of the mission, just like the leftover token budget and other loot. Again, just so that people who are lucky enough to come on at the right time (e.g. around when PW does post) aren't always advantaged. That said, said people might get first pick among that loot, or get an extra token if getting that stuff held any danger, or other circumstances. If PW is still planning on letting us divide the payouts ourselves, of course.

Yes, I know it's impossible to remove all the potential unfairness regarding timezones or availability to post, but still, let's at least try to keep it somewhat fair.))

((So... do we have a plan? I mean, even as far as what weapons are capable of inconveniencing him?))

((We were trying to lay an ambush for him to take him by surprise, but since we were forced to go after him that wasn't a real option anymore. Now that we found him we could try to lay down a rudimentary trap, but that might be to little to late depending on where he is exactly. We know he laughs at conventional weapons and that he is extremely good at defending himself, even from other amps/manips. Check here for when the first Amper battle started, it'll give you all the intell we have.))

[IronyOwl]

((So... do we have a plan? I mean, even as far as what weapons are capable of inconveniencing him?))

((We were trying to lay an ambush for him to take him by surprise, but since we were forced to go after him that wasn't a real option anymore. Now that we found him we could try to lay down a rudimentary trap, but that might be to little to late depending on where he is exactly. We know he laughs at conventional weapons and that he is extremely good at defending himself, even from other amps/manips. Check here for when the first Amper battle started, it'll give you all the intell we have.))

((Ah, thanks. That's very informative. How'd you learn that he might be alive, though?

As for taking him on... yeesh. I'll have to think about that a bit.))

[Sean Mirrsen]

"What in the six degrees of freedom is happening down there? I thought the guy moved off!"

Send LOS-drone down into the hole. Use its mapping sensors to feel out the underground space and maybe see if there's a crevice the Amper could be hiding himself in, and/or any other interesting points.