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loup

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Baron stopped being a baron?
« on: April 01, 2012, 05:55:49 pm »

A baron was appointed, made him a nice set of quarters.  He made some mandate, and then as I was about to fulfill it, I got a notice saying he had canceled the mandate and when I checked, I no longer had a baron.  The actual dwarf that had been the baron was still present, and I think I still fulfilled the requirements for having a baron, but he just stopped being a baron.

My expedition leader became mayor so I gave away all of the old baron's things to the mayor, but I want to understand why my baron would up and quit, or have lost office, or whatever.
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Re: Baron stopped being a baron?
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2012, 06:21:06 pm »

He got bored.
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Re: Baron stopped being a baron?
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2012, 06:43:27 pm »

This should never happen.  If it did, it is probably a bug.  Can you upload the save somewhere?
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Re: Baron stopped being a baron?
« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2012, 08:10:13 pm »

That happened to me with a Duke.  The Duke then instantly went melancholy and later died.  I never did find out why.  His quarters were only lacking the extra furniture needed beyond Count level, where the decor had fulfilled the requirements.  He was a good noble, with mandates that were easy to fulfill.   :'(

Edit: This was in 34.06.
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Re: Baron stopped being a baron?
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2012, 08:20:26 pm »

I would say a failed mood that caused him to go insane, but that doesn't remove them from the position of nobility to my knowledge.  I've never seen this happen before, so it may be a new bug related to .34.x.
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Re: Baron stopped being a baron?
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2012, 09:17:24 am »

This should never happen.  If it did, it is probably a bug.  Can you upload the save somewhere?

Not sure if this is a good site for this or not, but I'll give it a try.  Here's my current save.  Unfortunately, I don't remember who was the Baron, but I remember the baron and baroness were still alive when I reassigned their quarters to the current mayor, they were just no longer baron and baroness.

http://sharesend.com/aevwd

I also just noticed that someone else was given the baron's coffin, but I'm guessing I either never properly assigned it or misassigned it.
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Re: Baron stopped being a baron?
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2012, 09:56:54 am »

The Baron might have been buried in his coffin, but under his old job title (Ranger or whatever).  That is what happened with my Duke.  I checked the gamelog in my case, but did not find any mood announced.  You might check yours.  It is called gamelog.txt and it is in the DF directory.  It's a bit crowded but if you search for "baron" you will eventually find where he cancelled his mandate.  Then you can go from there.
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Re: Baron stopped being a baron?
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2012, 10:45:54 am »

Mandates only get cancelled (with that particular message) when a unit is removed from a position, and when that position is Baron, then the only way for that to happen is for the unit to die or go berserk.

In this case, your Baron is dead - Legends mode states that in the midspring of 129, the dwarf Sarvesh Rockclobbered ceased to be the baron of The Tombs of Cresting when he was drained of blood by a vampire.
« Last Edit: April 02, 2012, 10:54:19 am by Quietust »
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Re: Baron stopped being a baron?
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2012, 10:56:00 am »

That happened to me with a Duke.  The Duke then instantly went melancholy and later died.  I never did find out why.  His quarters were only lacking the extra furniture needed beyond Count level, where the decor had fulfilled the requirements.  He was a good noble, with mandates that were easy to fulfill.   :'(

Edit: This was in 34.06.

Maybe the Duke was jealous to another dwarf or something and went melancholy very fast and with that ceased to be duke because insanity?
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Re: Baron stopped being a baron?
« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2012, 11:36:56 am »

In this case, your Baron is dead - Legends mode states that in the midspring of 129, the dwarf Sarvesh Rockclobbered ceased to be the baron of The Tombs of Cresting when he was drained of blood by a vampire.

You are correct.  After searching the whole game log I did find where it was announced his body was found drained of blood. 

I was confused because his bed still showed two owners.  I had assumed it was the old baron and his wife, maybe she remarried, or maybe it stayed assigned to him even after death because his wife continued to live.

Oh well.  Mystery solved.
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Re: Baron stopped being a baron?
« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2012, 11:47:05 am »

I was confused because his bed still showed two owners.  I had assumed it was the old baron and his wife, maybe she remarried, or maybe it stayed assigned to him even after death because his wife continued to live.
1. Dwarves never remarry
2. When a dwarf dies, all owned rooms (aside from an assigned tomb) are freed - another roomless (and married) dwarf got tired and decided to claim the Baron's bedroom.
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Re: Baron stopped being a baron?
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2012, 01:51:27 pm »

In 34.06, dead dwarves continued to co-own the rooms belonging to their spouse, even if the room is assigned after the death. It threw me for a loop when I was building quarters for my military (the ownerships were showing more militia captains than I had at the time), until I figured out what was going on.

Not sure if this persists in .07.
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Re: Baron stopped being a baron?
« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2012, 04:16:04 pm »

I was confused because his bed still showed two owners.  I had assumed it was the old baron and his wife, maybe she remarried, or maybe it stayed assigned to him even after death because his wife continued to live.
Every married Dwarf that I have seen die in my 34.x games has remained on the description of any bedroom or dining room in the possession of the living spouse.
« Last Edit: April 02, 2012, 04:20:07 pm by slink »
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Re: Baron stopped being a baron?
« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2012, 04:38:04 pm »

my baron just went insane 3 months after appointment.  I am le sad.  Was upset about someone dying, then murdered someone and became even MORE upset.
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Re: Baron stopped being a baron?
« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2012, 07:08:15 pm »

Tip for keeping your baron sane in the future.

When you get the invitation from your liaison to make one of your dwarves, decline, at least the first time.  He'll leave in a huff, but he'll be better next year.  Take the next year to look your dwarves over.  Find one with material and item likes that you can meet easily, and whose export prohibition won't cripple your trading.  Give that dwarf the custom job title 'future baron'.

Now, before they've even been selected for being the baron, make them the full set of baron living quarters.  They'll be thrilled at having such a nice bedroom, office, etc.  When the liaison comes the next year and makes the offer again, give them the name of your selected dwarf.  When they are promoted to Baron, they will already have the full set of required rooms, and you won't have to scramble to provide for them.
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