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Re: Things people should've been taught from the start
« Reply #105 on: March 25, 2012, 11:16:40 am »

Woops, here I go destroying threads again. I was just picturing someone saying "You're an astute faggot". Calling someone a "faggot" isn't exactly the most intelligent insult.

To clarify she called me an astute. Imagine she said "You're an ass, faggot." But replace ass with astute. She thought it was a noun.


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Re: Things people should've been taught from the start
« Reply #106 on: March 25, 2012, 11:18:24 am »

Woops, here I go destroying threads again. I was just picturing someone saying "You're an astute faggot". Calling someone a "faggot" isn't exactly the most intelligent insult.

To clarify she called me an astute. Imagine she said "You're an ass, faggot." But replace ass with astute. She thought it was a noun.


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Re: Things people should've been taught from the start
« Reply #107 on: March 25, 2012, 11:18:36 am »

Ah internet, how broken you still are.

Also, swimming and basic survival knowledge is a must. It's really a stupid way to die if you fall over a boat or something.

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She thought it was a noun.

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Re: Things people should've been taught from the start
« Reply #108 on: March 25, 2012, 11:20:21 am »

It must feel good being so superior to the common people.

It leads into superiority complex. I know what it is and it's not a good thing.

These examples are hilariously stupid though :D

Woops, here I go destroying threads again. I was just picturing someone saying "You're an astute faggot". Calling someone a "faggot" isn't exactly the most intelligent insult.

To clarify she called me an astute. Imagine she said "You're an ass, faggot." But replace ass with astute. She thought it was a noun.

Heh, asstute.
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Re: Things people should've been taught from the start
« Reply #109 on: March 25, 2012, 11:20:27 am »

I thought it could be used as a noun too...
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Re: Things people should've been taught from the start
« Reply #110 on: March 25, 2012, 11:23:05 am »

Stop being such an astute :I

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Re: Things people should've been taught from the start
« Reply #111 on: March 25, 2012, 11:25:40 am »

I looked it up, and I think I get it confused with ascetic. I'm happy neither are words I use much.
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Re: Things people should've been taught from the start
« Reply #112 on: March 25, 2012, 12:22:51 pm »

Alright, let's move on, no need to dwell over this.

As for mandatory sports, I can guarantee that they would not bring all that you hope for. It somewhat reminds me of Lockhart's Lament, actually. Kids play sports because they are fun, believe it or not. Most don't just do it for the exercise. There is a world of difference between doing a sport because it's fun and doing one because you have to, especially when you're dealing with rebellious teenagers. If, as a freshman, I was forced to do a sport, I would never have applied myself to it. "Everyone has to do one, there's nothing wrong with not being very good at it." I was terrible at cross country when I started it, my 5k time was 25:30. If someone had said to me that I had to do better, I wouldn't have tried so hard. Because I was there because I wanted to be, I worked like crazy to get better and help the team. Do you think someone that is forced to run for an hour and a half each day after school is going to find it as enjoyable as someone who wants to be there? Because if it's not enjoyable, they're not going to try very hard, and it will just end up wasting their time and the school's money.
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Re: Things people should've been taught from the start
« Reply #113 on: March 25, 2012, 01:08:18 pm »

If, as a freshman, I was forced to do a sport, I would never have applied myself to it.

Basis of why education doesn't work too well. While I agree with Barbarossa as well as Lockhart's essay on most points, I feel like mathematics is lumped into the region of "rational thinkers", even if it is an art form. Mathematics is more logic-based than most other subjects. It's more logic-based than even Physics. Because it's a mandatory subject, it's not as enjoyable as it should be. If it weren't a mandatory subject, then very few students would take it. I apologize for this generalization, but from my experience, people are not logical beings. People rely on emotions much more than cold logic, especially since emotions even affect that logic in the first place.

Because the great majority of students are not inclined to think very logically, whether it is resulting from a standard of society or natural inclinations, they would not likely have the thrill of discovering their own equations without slowing down the progress of their education.

Although, I suppose mathematics could be replaced with a similar subject that would teach students to observe events with equations. This is taught somewhat with the scientific method, but the courses don't delve that far into the scientific method or similar thinking to apply it to other situations.

I don't mean replacing mathematics specifically, but relegating it to a different, perhaps more advanced area while the above mentioned course would become the new mandatory class.
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Re: Things people should've been taught from the start
« Reply #114 on: March 25, 2012, 01:23:09 pm »

Gotta say, public school killed all interest I had in maths, which is rather sad. I'm considering going back and reteaching myself with outside resources if/when I have the time, because the few occasions where I got a glimmer of understanding in calculus, I loved it.
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Re: Things people should've been taught from the start
« Reply #115 on: March 25, 2012, 01:25:29 pm »

"Shoving a square peg into a circular hole" and all that junk.

Really it's an attitude problem on the part of adults. They see kids as clay to be molded... molded into what they want to mold it into. Not as people, capable of choosing and forging their own path in life, which will ultimately be far more fulfilling than what someone else decides to choose for them.
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Re: Things people should've been taught from the start
« Reply #116 on: March 25, 2012, 02:31:30 pm »

Wow things heated a bit up in here.

Most of you guys have good points, not saying anybody has bad points.
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Re: Things people should've been taught from the start
« Reply #117 on: March 25, 2012, 03:21:08 pm »

I never do anything on PE, becouse why the fuck i should waste my energy and sweat myself and then smell? All we do in PE is playing soccer, and i fucking hate soccer, its idiotic to me, running trying to kick a ball is pointless, i always have wondered why is there even PE, hell i would want to have any other subject at time of PE. Becouse for me school isnt something like people at my age think, as prison you must go to. I find it fun learning new things, i only hate PE in school, but i also dont like maths, while they are quite much required in real life, i dont know the point of some abstractional stuff we learn there. Plus PE with my class is pointless, becouse they have no teamwork, there are 2 very good players in our class which basically play the game themselves, since they are selfish, and then blame it on us "omg why did u miss" and when he misses he just says "shit happens". If i had mandatory sport i would try to not go to PE or not bring sports wear for sake of not doing anything. Becouse PE is pointless, tiring, boring and teaching kids how many curse words exist.
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Re: Things people should've been taught from the start
« Reply #118 on: March 25, 2012, 03:29:59 pm »

I didn't like PE because I was just generally out of shape, and the physical exertion that I was put through had me on the ground and it felt like my insides were about to explode.

I avoided sports for the longest time until I found Table Tennis, which I found that I love.
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Re: Things people should've been taught from the start
« Reply #119 on: March 25, 2012, 03:31:05 pm »

As for mandatory sports, I can guarantee that they would not bring all that you hope for. It somewhat reminds me of Lockhart's Lament, actually. Kids play sports because they are fun, believe it or not. Most don't just do it for the exercise. There is a world of difference between doing a sport because it's fun and doing one because you have to, especially when you're dealing with rebellious teenagers. If, as a freshman, I was forced to do a sport, I would never have applied myself to it. "Everyone has to do one, there's nothing wrong with not being very good at it." I was terrible at cross country when I started it, my 5k time was 25:30. If someone had said to me that I had to do better, I wouldn't have tried so hard. Because I was there because I wanted to be, I worked like crazy to get better and help the team. Do you think someone that is forced to run for an hour and a half each day after school is going to find it as enjoyable as someone who wants to be there? Because if it's not enjoyable, they're not going to try very hard, and it will just end up wasting their time and the school's money.

Hey, that was a great read. It answered a lot of questions I had about maths, most notably "what's the point ?" It's nice to know that it's indeed basically pointless. This might make math interesting the next time I will have to suffer through a math class when I get the chance to go back to college.

And I agree that teaching intensive sports won't work. Once again, the problem isn't so much that school fails to give access to knowledge (whether it's sports or general knowledge or anything else), it's that it fails to give kids the willingness to be taught. A heavy dose of sports won't change that, even if every kid had magically access to a sport they actually like. It's like educational games (which is really an oxymoron) ; and school have already tried that, and it failed. Neither the stick nor the carrot works.

I think the biggest problem with school is that nobody really knows what's the point of school anymore. What's the point of school for you (you who reads me) ?

Lots of people I met says it's to learn a job, or get a job later, or ease access to a job, or something along those lines. But that doesn't sound right, does it ? The vast majority of what you learn at school is going to be useless in nearly every job. The vast majority of what you would like to know to get a job is not taught at school. Plus school keeps you from working until a very late age - at least eighteen (technically you can start working at sixteen, but it's extremely complicated to do so). If school is here to prepare you for a job, then it's fantastically inefficient at it.

My dad says that school is here to teach you to think by yourself and everything you need to know so that you can participate in the democratic system. It's an interesting idea. After all, at least in France (I don't really know in other countries), the idea of a school that should be both free and mandatory for everyone emerged with the republic. And democracy needs every citizen to participate in politics, so every citizen must be able to. But school isn't very good at this either - the many examples of both stupidity and conceitedness that people gave in this thread shows that school is failing at giving kids an open-minded, critical approach to things necessary for participation in the politic life of the country. Actually, my dad says that school should do that, and fails, but that's beside the point. 

So school teaches you a lot of stuff you will never need, with no clear goal in sight, is forced upon you, and gives you no real gratification outside itself (your work essentially means you'll be given back good grades and the permission to continue to the next level, yay). It is little more than a daycare until you're deemed old enough to take care of yourself and go get a job. No wonder kids hate it !
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