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[Sheb]

Plus, it's kinda weird the treat "The Police" as a monolithical entity. Unless you can show that those same police officers apparently are only nice to white supremacists or something.

[Graknorke]

No it doesn't, but they're still going to. This is an unnecessary extravagance while other times they're perfectly fine treating people far worse that they should. It's the preferential treatment that is a problem.

Plus, it's kinda weird the treat "The Police" as a monolithical entity. Unless you can show that those same police officers apparently are only nice to white supremacists or something.

The police is a formal entity with codified rules for conduct. They should all behave the same.

[Frumple]

... except not giving some freaking fast food would not have been treating them badly. It would have been treating them like everyone else, at the least. Instead someone who's going to be hit with multiple counts of racially motivated homicide got special treatment. Thus people are pissed.

This is a case of a heinous criminal getting accommodation above and beyond what even petty criminals get. It does not paint a pretty picture, especially given the circumstances. Now, if it turns out luxury food is normal for criminals in that precinct, okay. That would explain things, and people would probably be less incensed. If we've gotten confirmation of something like that, it'd be nice to know.

[SirQuiamus]

I have a bit of a theory on why they gave him fast food. It could be that they are doing everything "beyond the book" to ensure that, when the case comes to court, the defense cannot claim improper treatment or coercion and let the guy walk. It's one thing to give this kid some fast food; it's another for letting him get away with murder just because they didn't give him food.

Wait, what? o_O

[TempAcc]

Uh, being possibly mistreated by the police would have no effect on his trial, even if that was the case.

[SirQuiamus]

Poor customer service gives you the right to question the legitimacy of the judicial system? @_@

E: I still have no idea what Ispil was referring to, but surely the above example is not an unheard-of "defence" in American courts, as there is so much pseudolegal claptrap floating around. 

[TempAcc]

Well yea, its not unheard of in american criminal courts. Take the Trayvon Martin case, for example, the killer's defense lawyers argued that the boy "used the ground as a weapon", and it was rather seriously considered, sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo yea, american judicial system :v

Note: Keep in mind I'm not implying anyone's guilt or innocence, just pointing out that one argument was absurd.

[Loud Whispers]

Obama gettin heckled by transgender mexican activist, becomes Nobamabantatron

[wierd]

One most certainly CAN "Use the ground as a weapon".

EG, Grab somebody by the hair on the back of their head, slam head into ground repeatedly.

It is not "absurd" to consider that as a valid charge.

[penguinofhonor]

Wouldn't be the first time that something stupid happens in court because some proceedings beforehand fuck up the whole legality of it all.

If this police department thinks treating a prisoner normally is going to risk getting this case thrown out, there is something terribly wrong with how they're treating their prisoners.

[TempAcc]

One most certainly CAN "Use the ground as a weapon".

EG, Grab somebody by the hair on the back of their head, slam head into ground repeatedly.

It is not "absurd" to consider that as a valid charge.

Well yea, its not unheard of in american criminal courts. Take the Trayvon Martin case, for example, the killer's defense lawyers argued that the boy "used the ground as a weapon", and it was rather seriously considered, sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo yea, american judicial system :v

Note: Keep in mind I'm not implying anyone's guilt or innocence, just pointing out that one argument was absurd.

It is a little odd regarding the mentioned case, at the very least, in which the person who supposedly used "the ground as a weapon" was smaller and had nearly half the weight of the supposed agressor (said agressor also being armed). So unless said person is jackie chan/a dwarven wrestler/morul, its a bit unreasonable to consider that person able to use the ground as a weapon, in this context.

[Truean]

There's a part of me that wants to chime in about the "ground as a weapon" stuff. Then, there's a large part of me that won't, because it's a very complicated subject I've had the misfortune to write several dozen to a few/three hundred or so pages on. God, awful, mess.

It is not pretty. That way lay hyper-technical junk.

Things seem to have gone all, "down the rabbit hole" lately with some of the "cops and courts" section of the newspaper lately. I skim it, if I read it at all.

In simplest sum, different people's expectations of fairness are colliding right now about the criminal justice system. Some say slam the crap out of defendants and criminals, because they aren't getting punished enough; others the opposite. Both sides are angry, with good and bad points. Seeking non existent easy answers, people demand "action," when what they really want is emotional satisfaction. Everyone's hurting and wants to feel better, but they have opposing aims, so it's not possible. People are going to be upset, and that's the point. If people could agree and live in peace, then we wouldn't have to arrest anyone. It, just, sucks. No win situation.

[Graknorke]

Obama gettin heckled by transgender mexican activist, becomes Nobamabantatron

Question: Does the USA actually have LGBT detention centres? That sounds like some 1900s shit.
Also are there any sources better than the Mail.

[Redzephyr01]

>ground as a weapon
What the fuck? That is literally one of the stupidest thing's I've ever heard.

Obama gettin heckled by transgender mexican activist, becomes Nobamabantatron

Question: Does the USA actually have LGBT detention centres? That sounds like some 1900s shit.
Also are there any sources better than the Mail.

No, the USA doesn't have LGBT detention centers.

[penguinofhonor]

Obama gettin heckled by transgender mexican activist, becomes Nobamabantatron

Question: Does the USA actually have LGBT detention centres? That sounds like some 1900s shit.
Also are there any sources better than the Mail.

Here's her explanation. Either she or the author of the Daily Mail article left out a "from" in that sentence - she wants LGBTQ people released from regular detention centers. They have a much higher rate of being abused and trans immigrants are often housed with the wrong gender, which is a fucked up situation.