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[Helgoland]

Tru, I'm confused: I'd've expected you be using the women's restroom by default.

[scriver]

Can't live as she wants IRL.

[Truean]

I live a lie, pretty much yes.

[TD1]

Err, sorry, this might sound a bit dense. Which bit is the lie? Are you a "born man" and a "trans woman," and the lie is that you use the men's sometimes. Or, are you a "born woman" and a "trans man," and the lie is that you use the lady's sometimes?

[Darvi]

The lie is that she presents herself as a cis-dude to the public.

[Frumple]

... would it matter, TD1?

[TD1]

Of course not. I was just confused and wished for clarity.

[Truean]

MtF transgender, for all intents and purposes. I can't transition at present, though I hope to one day. If my family found out, I'm almost positive they'd violently harm me, at best. It's a long and drawn out story I've told before, but suffice it to say, terrible things have and will continue to happen to me based on this. Worse things would happen if people knew.

One of many reasons I ask not to be quoted, and it's probably the largest reason....

[Sheb]

I must say Truean, the sheer amount of shit you have to go through disgust me. I hope that by the time I have kid, society will have moved on enough that no one will give a shit if one of them is trans*.

Seriously, why is it so hard for people to mind their own business and let you be whoever you want to be?

[Dutchling]

They use the word that they identify as. Transwoman = MtF.

At least, that's what I always assumed. Doesn't really make sense the other way around.

[penguinofhonor]

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[Truean]

^ This.

Also crazily enough this:
http://www.salon.com/2015/02/24/ron_paul_congressional_black_caucus_opposes_war_because_they_want_to_spend_money_on_food_stamps/

And in other news about killing domestic productivity it's the freaking HR department.....
http://www.salon.com/2015/02/24/your_hr_department_doesnt_give_a_damn_how_corporate_overseers_exploit_american_workers_partner/

Heaven forbid your customer service rep TALK to you, (I've run into this one before):
http://www.successfulworkplace.org/2013/03/06/why-six-sigma-fails-in-the-real-world/

[Frumple]

Uh. Huh. I must be more out of it than I thought -- it's been a while since kneejerk visceral hate has really pinged off for me. But that one got me a lil'.

Because sweet goddamn fuck criticizing people because they'd rather be feeding their fellow human beings instead of fucking murdering them should not be a thing that happens.

Definitely a bit of an anger reaction, there.

[hops]

I'm not sure if people like me are indirectly making the matters on trans* issues worse, since nonbinary folks are more extreme than trans people and might be scaring the conservatives.

[Truean]

O, I wouldn't say that. I'd say everything not from the 1950s scares them....

They whole thing is just a cluster....

Biology had a problem, waste elimination.
Society had a problem waste elimination location.
Culture had a problem, privacy concerns of different genders.
Economics and aritecture had a problem: cost of solving culture's problem

Somebody came up with a solution, binary shared restrooms. Separate but equal.

Egalitarianism and fairness have a problem,  GLBT, etc people

Constraints are cost, and privacy expectations. The possible solutions vary by how you define the problem to be solved. If transgender only are the problem, then access to restroom of transitioning sex (F ... in MtF, and M ... in MtF), works.  If your problem is orientation, because the "issue" is being in there with a person who is attracted to you, then even gay and lesbians are an "issue" solved by opposit restroom usage on orientation, but that's a nightmare and bi just yeah.... So eventually you work through the absurd examples until you reach the clear solution:

Several, small individual bathrooms, as many as there would have been fixtures in the old shared ones. The issue there is cost, but at this point it will eventually end up being the case at some point in the future.

TL,DR: Just use a lot of small individual bathrooms. Jesus it really isn't hard man.