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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #3945 on: November 10, 2012, 04:48:33 pm »
If there were stricter gun laws then you could afford to not give ordinary, under-trained police officers guns.  An insightful comment.
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« Reply #3946 on: November 10, 2012, 04:49:39 pm »
I don't think training would have prevented this. Police in the US are a very trigger-happy, paranoid bunch. Their work culture promotes it.
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #3947 on: November 10, 2012, 04:50:43 pm »
Which is why you'd want to not give them guns if at all possible.
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« Reply #3948 on: November 10, 2012, 04:53:55 pm »
That just isn't going to happen here. The police are armed, the criminals are armed, everybody is armed. There is no way to disarm 315,000,000 people, even if we passed stricter gun laws, even if we banned guns.

Nobody is going to accept not arming the police and sending them up against armed criminals, leaving us with a very difficult conundrum. I don't see many options, and no effective ones.
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« Reply #3949 on: November 10, 2012, 05:19:15 pm »
Gradually move the entire country into gun-free gated communities.
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #3950 on: November 10, 2012, 05:20:54 pm »
Stop ammunition supply. Shut down any factories and ban import. There you go.
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #3951 on: November 10, 2012, 05:34:56 pm »
Quote from: misko27 on November 10, 2012, 05:20:54 pm
Stop ammunition supply. Shut down any factories and ban import. There you go.

Joe Survivalist has a small munitions depot in his hidey hole in Idaho for the day when the black helicopters come to abduct everyone. Now not only is he still heavily armed, he's making a pile of money selling excess ammunition to everyone else.

Also, confiscating ammunition is even harder to do than confiscating guns. You'd be hard pressed to hide an assault rifle on your person, but it would be trivial to hide ammunition somewhere.
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #3952 on: November 10, 2012, 05:39:13 pm »
Also, it isn't hard to manufacture bullets, even without industrial tools. It's somewhat harder, but not even remotely impossible, to manufacture guns (look up garage guns for examples).
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #3953 on: November 10, 2012, 05:42:16 pm »
Quote from: MetalSlimeHunt on November 10, 2012, 05:39:13 pm
Also, it isn't hard to manufacture bullets, even without industrial tools. It's somewhat harder, but not even remotely impossible, to manufacture guns (look up garage guns for examples).
On a scale of 150 million? Most are unlikely to posess the ability to do so.
 
However! The thing about amunition? You run out. Sure, it might take a while, but it'll happen. AS people rapidly expend their remaining ammunition, what is left will be highly expensive on the black market. Yes, Guns are easier to ban, but think of it like this:
 
When presented the option of going out and taking america's guns away from them, and starving them of ammunition, which would you choose?
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #3954 on: November 10, 2012, 05:43:58 pm »
Quote from: misko27 on November 10, 2012, 05:42:16 pm
On a scale of 150 million? Americans are fat. Most are unlikely to posess the ability to do so.
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #3955 on: November 10, 2012, 05:49:27 pm »
If we wanna get rid of guns it'll have to be gradual. Decades.
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #3956 on: November 10, 2012, 05:52:12 pm »
Quote from: kaijyuu on November 10, 2012, 05:49:27 pm
If we wanna get rid of guns it'll have to be gradual. Decades.
Yep, short of nuclear war were in it for the long haul. It's not the guns that are the problem, it's the gun mentality. the mindset of someone who owns a gun. We must dismante gun culture itself to be sucessful.
 
However, movin past that is going to be HARD. Really hard. Really, Really hard. Pacifying the Balkans hard.
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #3957 on: November 10, 2012, 05:56:24 pm »
Quote from: misko27 on November 10, 2012, 05:52:12 pm
Quote from: kaijyuu on November 10, 2012, 05:49:27 pm
If we wanna get rid of guns it'll have to be gradual. Decades.
Yep, short of nuclear war were in it for the long haul. It's not the guns that are the problem, it's the gun mentality. the mindset of someone who owns a gun. We must dismante gun culture itself to be sucessful.
 
However, movin past that is going to be HARD. Really hard. Really, Really hard. Pacifying the Balkans hard.

No. America has a violence problem that is very much disentangled with guns.
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #3958 on: November 10, 2012, 05:58:54 pm »
If we teach people that violence isn't an acceptable way to solve problems, the guns will disappear along with the mentality (at least the guns intended to hurt human beings).

But of course, we'll have to stop being hypocritical and trying to police the world first.
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #3959 on: November 10, 2012, 06:07:49 pm »
Quote from: kaijyuu on November 10, 2012, 05:58:54 pm
If we teach people that violence isn't an acceptable way to solve problems, the guns will disappear along with the mentality (at least the guns intended to hurt human beings).
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