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[Truean]

Remember, it logs what IP address you've logged in from. If someone gets on GG's account and trololols then Toady will see that.

Or a trollololol will get a hold of it and use it to break the C.o.C. with impunity from a public terminal and get your account banned. That IS the nice version.... Seriously, edit post and/or change that....

"public terminal." A la internet cafe' or library computer. See the significance?

[Scelly9]

Or proxie or a something like TOR.

[fqllve]

Well then maybe Toady would take this into account and only give GG a warning or a mute for it, for being somewhat irresponsible.

I'm just trying to be foolishly optimistic here! I want to believe that people are mostly good, okay!

I guess... someone could sign into her account, change the password, and then email the new one to her?

[GlyphGryph]

Or, just maybe, I responded appropriately to the knowing exchange of information "other people now have access to my account" by changing my password.

The point was that a password isn't "private" or even a "secret" in the way other things are private or secret. There is value in others not knowing them, but the value isn't in the information being kept hidden.

[Truean]

Or, just maybe, I responded appropriately to the knowing exchange of information "other people now have access to my account" by changing my password.

The point was that a password isn't "private" or even a "secret" in the way other things are private or secret. There is value in others not knowing them, but the value isn't in the information being kept hidden.

You're assuming you can un-ring bells: that there is a remedy for a secret getting out.

What if there isn't?

[GlyphGryph]

My point was that a key isn't a privacy issue, because it isn't the information that has value. The conversation that follows, however, illustrated the other half of the point I wanted to make perfectly - the request was a silly one, because the information exchange was lopsided, and we couldn't know who might have ended up using the account.

Essentially - I'm okay with secrets kept to protect us from the deceptions of others. I'm okay with keys that restrict access to those who should have it. I prefer these methods of combating the secret actions of others over laws curtailing our ability to uncover secrets through our own actions.

When I talk about being generally anti-privacy, I am not talking about either of these things. I'm talking about being opposed to the sort of secrets that let others act openly and honestly in superior ways.

Because trust me, you and I do not benefit from the worship of the ideal of privacy anywhere near as much as politicians and banking executives do.

And once we've given those with power over us the right to privacy, they will assert that it only counts for them, and they will get away with it, because we won't try to take away theirs (privacy is too important!) but it gives them the strength to take away ours (No, you can't film the police, but yes, we can film you)

[Pnx]

Having no privacy or secrets is only actually feasible if nobody else has any either. Unfortunately to keep that up we'd have to have extremely effective ways of keeping track of everything about everyone, which just isn't possible.

[Leafsnail]

As far as I can tell GG is fine with having no secrets and therefore assumes that everyone else can live the same way.  It seems silly.  I mean, the fact that some people can take a punch to the gut doesn't mean that we should be allowed to punch anyone we like in the gut.

Say I do webcam livestreaming off my laptop and forget to turn it off. Would that be illegal?


It seems to come down to the "to spy" part, which means intent is the incriminating action.

Really you could say the same about almost any crime if you're prepared to make up a contrived example.  Falling asleep with a cigarette in your mouth won't get you charged with arson while setting fire to the bed would, for instance (let's say it's in a shared building so it's not yours to burn down).

[Fenrir]

Well, GG, it would appear that you are just an odd one. I, like many others, do not like the idea of being observed, tracked, profiled, or otherwise studied when we are at home, and any explanation we could give for this desire for privacy would probably come from a psychologist.

I would agree with you that, when in public, or performing acts related to a public service, surveillance is permissible, but I would seriously doubt that we put ourselves at risk by forbidding people to monitor the activies of their neighbors—you will remember that such an incident was the topic of discussion.

It is here that I would lighten a rather dry and accusative post with a cheery icon to indicate my intended goodwill, but I feel that contemporary iconography is a crutch I would use to prop up my poor writing.

[GlyphGryph]

I firmly believe that all of us having no secrets is better than only some of us having no secrets, and the way our society is structured, most of our secrets are not nearly to the extent we think they are, and the secrecy around those using the information is so thick we'll never even know we've been compromised. And those using the information do not have our best interests at heart.

This whole derail was about this guy having legal troubles for taping his roommate coupled with the new NSA center stuff, really.

[Truean]

Just don't publicly post your password....

[alway]

You may remember that This American Life episode on FoxConn. It was retracted; turns out a decent portion of it was invented by the guy to sell his story. http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/16/10720955-this-american-life-retracts-damning-report-on-apple-manufacturer-foxconn

"Daisey lied to me and to 'This American Life' producer Brian Reed during the fact checking we did on the story, before it was broadcast," Glass said. "That doesn't excuse the fact that we never should've put this on the air. In the end, this was our mistake." 'This American Life' will devote its entire program this weekend to detailing the errors in the story," the press release said.

[justinlee999]

In other news, more details of what's beginning to look like police covering up; shit is surfacing:
http://news.yahoo.com/family-slain-black-fla-teen-hear-911-calls-013325111.html

The article says white person, then later in the article it says the murderer was Hispanic.

What!?

[GlyphGryph]

Because he's a white hispanic?

[Reelya]

In other news, more details of what's beginning to look like police covering up; shit is surfacing:
http://news.yahoo.com/family-slain-black-fla-teen-hear-911-calls-013325111.html

The article says white person, then later in the article it says the murderer was Hispanic.

What!?

I doubt american's differentiate hispanics based on racial origins, e.g. Brazillian businessman Ricardo Semler would be considered hispanic in the USA, even though his family came from Austria. So it in no way delineates a racial boundary.