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[GlyphGryph]

Which is actually kind of bullshit, imo, if true.

[Darvi]

Why?

[kaijyuu]

Say I do webcam livestreaming off my laptop and forget to turn it off. Would that be illegal?


It seems to come down to the "to spy" part, which means intent is the incriminating action.

[fqllve]

Actually, depending on what was streamed you may still be subject to damages. It wouldn't necessarily be criminal in that case, but yeah, I could see someone making a civil suit out of something like that.

[Pnx]

Turning on your webcam cam to spy on your roommate having sex, and encouraging your friends to come watch your roommate have sex without them knowing is er... yeah.

[GlyphGryph]

I'm opposed to most limitations on the act of private surveillance in general to be bullshit, surveilling the property where you live to ascertain truths about shared spaces is not something I believe to be wrong.

If I come home every day to find a big oil slick across my floor, I do not see it as an immoral act to set up a camera and try to figure out whodunnit.

And I don't think it should be illegal - regardless of what you pick up in the process.

I'm strongly anti-privacy and find modern societies obsession with secrets to be outright sick, though, so while my opinions on this issue are pretty strong, sharing them more than I have probably isn't worth much.

Different axioms and all that.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

It's not the surveillance that's the issue. It's what he did with his roommate's private information and what that misuse lead his roommate to do in response.

[Pnx]

The thing about secrets is that we keep them to protect ourselves from other people. You might not need to keep secrets because you deal with people who wouldn't hold your potential secrets against you, or you simply don't have the kinds of secrets that are likely to be held against you. There are a lot of people that do have secrets that can and will be used against them if they are discovered, there are just too many jerks in the world to let us live without secrets.

[Sirus]

It doesn't even have to be a harmful secret. Would GG be willing to share her password to her account on this site? By definition, that's a secret.

[Truean]

It's not the surveillance that's the issue. It's what he did with his roommate's private information and what that misuse lead his roommate to do in response.

You should't purposefully, publicly show someone having sex without their knowledge and you sure shouldn't encourage others to do so.

People seem incapable of seeing the other side of things, or how there are effects they don't understand or even consider. The guy is comparable to a peeping tom.

The gay thing just adds another twist to it and makes the exposure for the victim worse, because the fact of the matter is, most people are jackasses concerning how they view gays in the US. Even taking that out of the picture, laughing at someone having sex, because they're doing so, and because you're improperly getting, sharing, and encouraging others to get and share that footage is wrong. Laughing at them because they're gay and doing what gay people do is just a bit worse.

Poor kid was just trying to live his life (and forced to do so in secret), and along come the bullies to laugh at him for doing that and make his life hell.

[GlyphGryph]

It's not the surveillance that's the issue. It's what he did with his roommate's private information and what that misuse lead his roommate to do in response.

This is something I find acceptable as an argument, by the way. I can see display and distribution of video with individuals having sex (who do not want the video distributed) as wrong, and I do, regardless of how the video was generated. That's not the part I have a problem with, I'm okay with that being illegal, to a certain extent. I could at least see a legal obligation for the person to let those recorded know the film exists, is possible, so they could immediately respond appropriately.

It doesn't even have to be a harmful secret. Would GG be willing to share her password to her account on this site? By definition, that's a secret.

I'm not opposed to secrets as a general rule, especially secrets that act primarily to protect us from the secret actions of others - which is why, yes, I would be more than willing to share that particular secret. Because I can respond to it, the risk of secret abuse is nil. It is:
"buy me a pie charles choo choo".

Yeah, kind of dumb.

[Truean]

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[Sirus]

Ok, assuming that was the real password, that was an incredibly stupid thing to do. If there's a person on this site with malicious intent;
Bye bye account! Password and email address have been changed.
Oops, hope you don't have anything important like CD-keys or love letters in your private messages. They're all gone!

[Truean]

Ok, assuming that was the real password, that was an incredibly stupid thing to do. If there's a person on this site with malicious intent;
Bye bye account! Password and email address have been changed.
Oops, hope you don't have anything important like CD-keys or love letters in your private messages. They're all gone!

Or a trollololol will get a hold of it and use it to break the C.o.C. with impunity from a public terminal and get your account banned. That IS the nice version.... Seriously, edit post and/or change that....

[fqllve]

Remember, it logs what IP address you've logged in from. If someone gets on GG's account and trololols then Toady will see that.