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[kaijyuu]

Firstly, a makeshift noose made out of a towel is a horrible way to go.

Secondly, the guards and potentially other inmates will actively try to stop it.

[Nadaka]

The death penalty isn't necessarily about vengeance (not in every case anyway).

Charles Manson and Anders Breivik for example? These are people who walked through murder, smiled and kept going. People who have or intend to infect the minds of others and smother the world in chaos and blood. These are people that can not be redeemed. Their continued existence is a risk I would rather not take, and the same goes for most serial killers and a fair number of mass murderers.

[kaijyuu]

For such there is life imprisonment. Whether you believe that worse than death or not I dunno, but that's why I give the option for euthanasia.

[Sirus]

But even so-called "life sentences" carry the possibility of parole after a certain number of years. Charles Manson has tried repeatedly to get out, and supposedly Breivik will have the same opportunity in ten years or so. What if one day they actually succeed and are released?

[ChairmanPoo]

Charles Manson has been repeatedly rejected parole and by the time he gets his next hearing he will be *ninety*. Don't be ridiculous

[Nadaka]

Manson and Breivik don't need to leave prison to get their message out and instigate more murders.

[Durin Stronginthearm]

Manson and Breivik don't need to leave prison to get their message out and instigate more murders.

They don't need to be alive to do it either. Martyrs have a lot of power.

[kaijyuu]

But even so-called "life sentences" carry the possibility of parole after a certain number of years. Charles Manson has tried repeatedly to get out, and supposedly Breivik will have the same opportunity in ten years or so. What if one day they actually succeed and are released?

If they're actually competent to become members of society again, then great! If not, then the parole board has some issues it needs resolved.

[Sheb]

By the way, I know it makes me a terrible person, but I couldn't help giggling when I read this one year ago or so. France decided to implement "anit-suicide kit" for inmate at risks, kits that included stuff like paper pyjamas and fireproof mattress.

Sure enough, a couple month later, someone managed to commit suicide with the anti-suicide kit.

[Sirus]

But even so-called "life sentences" carry the possibility of parole after a certain number of years. Charles Manson has tried repeatedly to get out, and supposedly Breivik will have the same opportunity in ten years or so. What if one day they actually succeed and are released?

If they're actually competent to become members of society again, then great! If not, then the parole board has some issues it needs resolved.

Oh, I agree wholeheartedly with the first part. The second part, however, can be as simple as someone saying "Hey Manson, you're 90-something now, how about we let you live your last few years outside prison?"
Bam. Unrepentant mass murderer who still has followers on the loose.

[kaijyuu]

I'd still say resolving that is best done by making sure your parole board doesn't make such mistakes, not by killing people so they never have the opportunity to.

[penguinofhonor]

But even so-called "life sentences" carry the possibility of parole after a certain number of years. Charles Manson has tried repeatedly to get out, and supposedly Breivik will have the same opportunity in ten years or so. What if one day they actually succeed and are released?

If they're actually competent to become members of society again, then great! If not, then the parole board has some issues it needs resolved.

Oh, I agree wholeheartedly with the first part. The second part, however, can be as simple as someone saying "Hey Manson, you're 90-something now, how about we let you live your last few years outside prison?"
Bam. Unrepentant mass murderer who still has followers on the loose.

Who in their right mind would do that? I think that falls under "the parole board has some issues it needs resolved".

[Sirus]

I'm not saying it would happen, or even that it's likely. It is a risk though, unless another parole board can come in and overrule the release.

[Sheb]

Well, you usually have rules about parole. Live the convicts have to demosntrate repentence, and be judged to not pose a risk for society.

[RedKing]

I don't have time to find them right now, but I'm pretty sure I could find you scores of cases of "parole board released a convicted killer, who then killed somebody while on release".

I agree in principle with the "let's correct the problems with the parole board rather than kill people" but the problem is that when the parole board makes mistakes in judgement, innocent people can die as a result.