Print

Please login or register.
1 Hour 1 Day 1 Week 1 Month Forever
Login with username, password and session length

[Darkmere]

... apparently this writer at the Heritage Foundation also ignore those same studies when it doesn't suit his case.

"Journalism" at its finest. Facts have nothing at all to do with a good muckraking session.

[alway]

Six Churches have been set on fire in the South, with three being confirmed as cases of arson.

That's three church communities without a place of worship because people are fucking stupid. Luckily noone was hurt, but these churches have suffered losses in the tens of thousands of dollars, and I know from experience that churches don't operate on huge margins. Pray for these people, or at least keep them in your thoughts if that's your move.

And another one. https://twitter.com/SCFireCarter/status/616055562770489344
That one was apparently previously burned down in 1995 by the KKK.

[Frumple]

... if there's one thing this uptick in arson has taught me that I didn't know before, it's that a lot of churches burn down in this country. Apparently we've been averaging one a week for quite a few years now. Seven in one is a definitely anomaly, but the things burn down pretty regularly. Has a lot to do with saturation, I suppose... lot of churches out there, bound to lose some annually.

Tangential to the whole assholes committing arson thing, but still a factoid I hadn't been aware of.

[Truean]

http://www.vox.com/2015/7/1/8877903/tennessee-lgbtq-nondiscrimination-law

Wow..... That's just wonderful... [sigh]. Really? Just straight up exclusion... Knew it

[Rolan7]

Whereas it's illegal to discriminate based on religion, of course.  Clearly we just need to pretend that LGBTQ is a matter of faith.
Meanwhile as of today two of the Kentucky county clerks are still refusing to do their jobs (two backed down).

Davis says she has no plans to resign, even with the possibility of facing criminal misconduct charges and jail time for not carrying out her duties.

This would be brave in a sick way, if I believed it for a second.  She might be forced to resign, but justifying her misconduct with "faith" will save her from any actual charges.
http://www.wsaz.com/home/headlines/Kentucky-Counties-Refuse-to-Issue-Marriage-Licenses-310815841.html

[Frumple]

Yeah... stuff like that is why the SCOTUS decision was both great and terrible. We've still got a helluva' fight ahead to make sexual orientation and whatnot something under strict scrutiny and thus umbrella'd under anti-discrimination laws. Noticed a fairly succinct pic that's circulating a little that does a pretty good job of getting the message across:

Spoiler: spoiler'd for size (click to show/hide)

[Dutchling]

Is discrimination in general not against he constitution over there?

I know that in the Netherlands there have been talks about removing the part about religious freedom, since it's pretty much redundant.

[Frumple]

The short answer would be "No." The long answer is longer, and beyond me to know the details, but so far as I'm aware so long as it's not a strict scrutiny issue (which includes things like race, religion, etc.), discrimination is generally pretty legal. If I had a store or whatever and wanted to put up a sign saying "No one with hair past the shoulders allowed" (and then enforced it), I'm fairly sure that'd be legal in a lot of places in the US, and not strictly against the constitution regardless.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

That said, while the Supreme Court's ruling doesn't put orientation or gender identity as suspect classes, it certainly make it more likely to go that way from now on.

[Putnam]

Is discrimination in general not against he constitution over there?

I know that in the Netherlands there have been talks about removing the part about religious freedom, since it's pretty much redundant.

The constitution AFAIK doesn't really make any claims about what citizens are allowed to do, only what the government is allowed to do (or rather, what it isn't).

[Baffler]

Is discrimination in general not against he constitution over there?

I know that in the Netherlands there have been talks about removing the part about religious freedom, since it's pretty much redundant.

The constitution AFAIK doesn't really make any claims about what citizens are allowed to do, only what the government is allowed to do (or rather, what it isn't).

Yeah, the closest to what you're asking for, as far as I know, is the 14th amendment's equal protection clause, as follows:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

[ggamer]

There's protections for equal protection under the law in the 14th Amendment, but it doesn't extend to sexual orientation, so this would naturally be the next step in the fight for lgbbq rights.

Edit: Ninja'd by baffler

[Angle]

There's protections for equal protection under the law in the 14th Amendment, but it doesn't extend to sexual orientation, so this would naturally be the next step in the fight for lgbbq rights.

lgbbq? Sounds delicious.

[UXLZ]

God I hate religion/faith's sacred cow status. It should be considered exactly the same as regular beliefs. Saying that you discriminate against LGBT people because of your "Faith" should be treated similarly to how it would be if you said you discriminate because you hate people who are different.

[TD1]

That seemed to be the entire point of Dawkin's 'God Delusion'