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Author Topic: Dolphins as Non-Human Persons; or Viva la Cetalucean!  (Read 46748 times)

Heliman

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Re: Dolphins as Non-Human Persons; or Viva la Cetalucean!
« Reply #165 on: February 27, 2012, 08:17:08 am »

I only consider something a person if at least one member of it's species is capable of basic calculus.

I'm looking at YOU, Jocks. You get off this time.

Also, dolphins, somebody get them a waterproof calculator with big, nose-bumpable buttons. We will see.
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Re: Dolphins as Non-Human Persons; or Viva la Cetalucean!
« Reply #166 on: February 27, 2012, 08:20:21 am »

Oh be fair Heliman. No need to insult their intellect by providing them with a giant novelty calculator for some basic calculus. I'm sure they can find the gradient of a curve without electronic devices... Because if they can't, it is dolphin sandwiches for me!

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Re: Dolphins as Non-Human Persons; or Viva la Cetalucean!
« Reply #167 on: February 27, 2012, 08:46:39 am »

Dolphin sandwiches are pretty good. But then again, it's dolphin the fish, not dolphin the aquatic mammal.
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Re: Dolphins as Non-Human Persons; or Viva la Cetalucean!
« Reply #168 on: February 27, 2012, 01:48:33 pm »

We should grant them the status of "rival".

I guess we picked the fire type as our starter, then...
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Re: Dolphins as Non-Human Persons; or Viva la Cetalucean!
« Reply #169 on: March 02, 2012, 07:55:38 pm »

Well, if you think about it too hard, humans basically are a fire-type. It was our first big cultural invention, and sorta the symbol for all technology and culture to come, from cooking food over embers and telling oral histories around a campfire, to internal-combustion-powered machines.
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Re: Dolphins as Non-Human Persons; or Viva la Cetalucean!
« Reply #170 on: March 02, 2012, 07:57:43 pm »

The leprechaun tells me to burn things.
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Re: Dolphins as Non-Human Persons; or Viva la Cetalucean!
« Reply #171 on: March 03, 2012, 06:08:58 am »

The leprechaun tells me to burn things.

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Re: Dolphins as Non-Human Persons; or Viva la Cetalucean!
« Reply #172 on: March 03, 2012, 11:04:25 am »

Also, dogs should be considered a person. Anything capable of socially bonding with a person should!

This is a terrible idea. Dogs right now basically are slaves, granting them the rights of a person would seriously fuck with that, to the determent of the dogs. Although perhaps finding a way to communicate complex thoughts with them, then granting them such rights, might be a good idea.

Also: "Anything capable of socially bonding with a person should!" That is like... A lot of things. Rats for one. I don't think we are ready to consider rats people. Basically any critter that CAN socially bond can socially bond with humans.
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Re: Dolphins as Non-Human Persons; or Viva la Cetalucean!
« Reply #173 on: March 03, 2012, 11:10:18 am »

So, is there any peer-reviewed literature supporting this?
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« Reply #174 on: March 03, 2012, 11:29:48 am »

Supporting what, exactly?
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Re: Dolphins as Non-Human Persons; or Viva la Cetalucean!
« Reply #175 on: March 03, 2012, 11:30:21 am »

The OP, probably.
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Re: Dolphins as Non-Human Persons; or Viva la Cetalucean!
« Reply #176 on: March 03, 2012, 11:31:19 am »

Although perhaps finding a way to communicate complex thoughts with them, then granting them such rights, might be a good idea.
To be fair, we do already grant most species with observable aspects of intelligence certain rights, hence why animal abuse is a crime.
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Re: Dolphins as Non-Human Persons; or Viva la Cetalucean!
« Reply #177 on: March 03, 2012, 11:41:25 am »

Right. But. They certainly do not have a ton of rights. Like my dog is not even allowed to go outside without being on a leash and he is required for all times in his life to wear a collar. How fucked up would that be when applied to a human (Or "person")?

He also clearly has Stockholm syndrome.
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Re: Dolphins as Non-Human Persons; or Viva la Cetalucean!
« Reply #178 on: March 03, 2012, 11:45:09 am »

At least he doesn't has the top of his skull replaced with a plastic cover. My brother performs mojo jojo on monkeys and I've seen his monkeys once. He says they don't really care but it looks pretty creepy.
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« Reply #179 on: March 03, 2012, 11:45:44 am »

Whhhhhhhat.
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