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[Mr S]

Followed almost immediately by "Can Urist McTestSubject eat it, and survive?"

Also, how are we going to know how to process them?  An experimentation workshop?  If we experiment repeatedly, will we find multiple uses for something, sometimes?

[Mel_Vixen]

We have cacao so urists dog could go blind.

[WillowLuman]

Once plants that can do things on their own are in, I'd hate to see the plants in the SPHERE:FILTH regions...

[Putnam]

The elf caravan rolled in with .... some grown oak items that won't make them angry if you try to resell them later.

FUCKING. FINALLY.

Why don't the "grown oak items" make the elves angry? Are they an elf-specific item type, like a "humane" way to make wood products (and if so, will judicious modding let players make "grown wood items?") Or do the elves distinguish between wood-for-crafts and wood-that's-people? Something else entirely?

There's lots of lore behind this. Elves grow their wooden items out of trees with druid magic in a way that doesn't harm the trees themselves, versus dwarves, who just kinda kill them.

[monk12]

But see, that lore is assumed, as it has never been expressed in game ever. I'd like confirmation of "yes this is fancy pants druid magic" even if said druid magic doesn't occur during play yet.

[Putnam]

I'd say the use of the word "grown" should confirm that enough, but (realtalk) if you want a bit more, that's fine.

[WillowLuman]

The real question is, do civilizations remember their crafts now, or do elves just make special wooden stuff with a special token?

[Rose]

Also, is it possible through modding to make our own grown wooden items?

[laularukyrumo]

I'm fairly certain you've always been able to do this--the specific tag that offends elves is [IMPLIES_PLANT_KILL], so if you just removed that from the wood materials in plant_standard, elves would no longer get butthurt.

[reality.auditor]

also some grown oak items that won't make them angry if you try to resell them later.

To make sure: can we now sell any wooden item made by elves safely to elves? I hope it is framework stub, not some hack only for elves and only for "grown" items.

Will be some info in-game about what race made this particular item? It would be in info screen I guess... "It is exceptionally made blah blah. Produced by Humans in 208 in Daggervalley." But marking it somehow on trade screen would be more convenient (character for race next to name of item? Filtering option?).

[LordBaal]

Woah, a filtering option on the trade screen is a must. We should be able to filter things by size (in the case of clothes), value, weight, how made it, materials and so on. This way you can always offer the elves the highest wooden items made of trees exterminated with extreme prejudge.

[Knight Otu]

I'm fairly certain you've always been able to do this--the specific tag that offends elves is [IMPLIES_PLANT_KILL], so if you just removed that from the wood materials in plant_standard, elves would no longer get butthurt.

Oddly enough, there's no such tag yet. That functionality is inherent in the WOOD tag.

[Mr S]

The [IMPLIES_PLANT_KILL] tag is on things further on in the production chain that can ONLY be made from tree products, such as soap.  Soap requires lye, which requires ash, which requires dead tree.

Ergo, Elves are stinky, no soap using, patchouli smelling hippies.

[Knight Otu]

The [IMPLIES_PLANT_KILL] tag is on things further on in the production chain that can ONLY be made from tree products, such as soap.  Soap requires lye, which requires ash, which requires dead tree.

Ergo, Elves are stinky, no soap using, patchouli smelling hippies.

You might be thinking of [IMPLIES_ANIMAL_KILL], which is found in the soap template. There's no corresponding tag in the plant soap template. Not sure how the game determines that plant soap is bad for plants, though...

[Mr S]

I stand corrected.  Thank you.