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Maxmurder

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Elven Slavery
« on: February 03, 2012, 02:39:50 pm »
I have a few elves in cages in my fort and instead of just letting my military use them as punching bags I thought this mite be neat idea... what if your dungeon master or sum such were able to turn these otherwise usless prisioners into funtioning members of a subjegated workforce. Have hauling that the dwarves are to busy to do? send the elves. Dont want your legendary mechanic wasting his days operating a magma pump on the third cavern layer? get an elf to do it! A vile force of darkness has arived? Curse them! and send the elves! This could be done to all civilised/semi-civilised races... and the slave revolts would provied loads of FUN!
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« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2012, 03:35:34 pm »
Well, dwarven ethics in the RAWS describe slavery as 'unthinkable', so I doubt Toady would implement such a thing.
Perhaps when something similiar is added, such as... I don't know, work animals, such a feature could be modded in. :)
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Re: Elven Slavery
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2012, 03:44:09 pm »
That or goblin fortress mode.
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« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2012, 03:55:09 pm »
Well yeah, that's more or less what I meant.
W-wait... You weren't thinking of modding our loving, kind, down-to-earth dwarves into unspeakably cruel and horrible people, were you?! :o
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Re: Elven Slavery
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2012, 04:05:56 pm »
Dwarven ethics
Slavery: Untinkable
Stipping prisinors naked and throwing them into magma pit: Perfectly justified
Torture: Unthinkable
Exposure to FB dust in the name of !!SCIENCE!!: Perfectly justified.
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Re: Elven Slavery
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2012, 05:00:13 pm »
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Re: Elven Slavery
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2012, 05:08:34 pm »
Quote from: Yoink on February 03, 2012, 03:35:34 pm
Well, dwarven ethics in the RAWS describe slavery as 'unthinkable', so I doubt Toady would implement such a thing.
Exactly.

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Perhaps when something similiar is added, such as... I don't know, work animals, such a feature could be modded in. :)
I vaguely recall seeing plans that allow for non-dwarves to be fortressable eventually. Probably when humans and goblins get special code for them, we'll be able to mod in elf slaves.
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« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2012, 05:46:34 pm »
Elf slaves?   I got enough lye makers and dissectors and cheese makers idling around now instead of working.  Why would I want to make it worse by expecting useful labor out of those pointy-eared tree shaggers?
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Re: Elven Slavery
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2012, 05:52:09 pm »
Saying dwarves have the 'unthinkable' tag is a poor excuse in my opinion.
It's easily edited into 'acceptable' by players themselves.
And whatabout when Goblins becomes playable?
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« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2012, 07:11:08 pm »
ok, here's the reason this has to be done
Urist mcslavedriver: "slaves, cut down those trees!"
elfy mctreehugger: "waaaaahhhh"
Urist mcslavedriver was entertained recentley by the beating of elves.
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« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2012, 07:16:00 pm »
Quote from: Ultimuh on February 03, 2012, 05:52:09 pm
Saying dwarves have the 'unthinkable' tag is a poor excuse in my opinion.
It's easily edited into 'acceptable' by players themselves.

"Dear Toady: I edited the raws to give copper a density of -1000. Why doesn't the game simulate this correctly?"
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Re: Elven Slavery
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2012, 08:44:08 pm »
Ethics? I say we burn the ethics, and make the elves do it.
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Re: Elven Slavery
« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2012, 12:09:39 am »
Quote from: irmo on February 03, 2012, 07:16:00 pm
Quote from: Ultimuh on February 03, 2012, 05:52:09 pm
Saying dwarves have the 'unthinkable' tag is a poor excuse in my opinion.
It's easily edited into 'acceptable' by players themselves.

"Dear Toady: I edited the raws to give copper a density of -1000. Why doesn't the game simulate this correctly?"

Is that really quite the same thing? One's simply changing a game's racial culture. One's breaking a material. And isn't Toady going to make randomized cultures down the line anyway?
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Re: Elven Slavery
« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2012, 12:10:59 pm »
Quote from: Yoink on February 03, 2012, 03:55:09 pm
Well yeah, that's more or less what I meant.
W-wait... You weren't thinking of modding our loving, kind, down-to-earth dwarves into unspeakably cruel and horrible people, were you?! :o

No need, Goblin fortresses are a planned feature. So are playable elven retreats and playable human towns. (Or at least, they used to be).
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Re: Elven Slavery
« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2012, 01:55:55 pm »
Quote from: Urist McDagger on February 04, 2012, 12:09:39 am
Is that really quite the same thing? One's simply changing a game's racial culture. One's breaking a material.

They are the same insofar as they involve going to a lot of work to implement a feature that, in its default, as-shipped configuration, will never be used. Dwarves don't have slaves, so the game doesn't have a user interface or the job-queue features needed to manage slaves as part of a fortress. Changing the ETHIC tag so that they theoretically can have slaves won't cause that code to spring into existence.

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And isn't Toady going to make randomized cultures down the line anyway?

I don't believe Toady is stupid enough to replace the dwarves with a randomized culture with no identifying characteristics.
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