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[daggaz]

Ok, I can see the bashing thing, but dont shields give a higher armor bonus if they are made of better materials?

[Psieye]

Ok, I can see the bashing thing, but dont shields give a higher armor bonus if they are made of better materials?

Surprisingly, no. The game only checks "shield succeeded in getting in the way of the attack". It has no consideration for "attack might just break through the shield" or even "attack might melt the shield". A masterwork shield gets better rolls on whether it succeeds in blocking I think. So this means a masterwork shield made of 'paper' is better than a no-quality steel shield.

DF physics is wacky, there's lots of things that don't make sense.

[Masta Crouton]

copper is denser than steel?


hmmmm.

[WolfeyS]

Adamantine is light so shields can be moved faster I believe, and the carrier will move faster.  Nothing ever even gets close to my marksdwarves though.

[roflgar]

Doesn't legendary armor user negate the speed drop anyway?

Personally, I just go with the copper shields for the bashing bonus.  Killing more enemies is more important than a theoretical marginally higher survival rate.

[Loud Whispers]

Artefact/Uber quality weapons and armour just increase the chance of a hit/block, their weight stays constant.

[daggaz]

copper is denser than steel?


hmmmm.

also, this.  Ive tried to find metal densities in the wiki.  I must be an elf or something, cant find it anywhere.

[krenshala]

copper is denser than steel?


hmmmm.

also, this.  Ive tried to find metal densities in the wiki.  I must be an elf or something, cant find it anywhere.

According to Wikipedia:

The density of steel varies based on the alloying constituents but usually ranges between 7,750 and 8,050 kg/m3 (484 and 503 lb/cu ft), or 7.75 and 8.05 g/cm3 (4.48 and 4.65 oz/cu in).[6]

Density (near r.t.)    8.94 g·cm−3
Liquid density at m.p.    8.02 g·cm−3

So, 7.75 to 8.05 g/cm3 vs 8.94 g/cm3 ... copper wins that one.

[Vharuck]

copper is denser than steel?


hmmmm.

also, this.  Ive tried to find metal densities in the wiki.  I must be an elf or something, cant find it anywhere.

The density tables for metals is on the Weapon page of the wiki.  As for steel vs copper; the density of steel is 7.85, and the density of copper is 8.93.  Copper's density is second only to silver, and you can't make silver shields or crossbows (barring moods).

[daggaz]

ahh thats why then, i was going thru the armor pages.

thanks guys, may your beards grow long and remain free of dust.

[Psieye]

copper is denser than steel?

We like steel because it is light for its strength. However, in everyday life we typically come across LOTS of steel whereas we don't encounter much copper unless it's in wire-thin form. Hence why we have "copper is light" and "steel is heavy" in our heads.

[Loud Whispers]

copper is denser than steel?

We like steel because it is light for its strength. However, in everyday life we typically come across LOTS of steel whereas we don't encounter much copper unless it's in wire-thin form. Hence why we have "copper is light" and "steel is heavy" in our heads.

*Barely suppressed nerd rage  *