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[ASCIt]

Yeah, rather than flooring over glowing tiles in curious underground structures, I hatch them off and lock them. Then I can let the clowns in one or two at a time and take them out slowly.

Don't you lose control of the hatch as soon as a clown passes through, making it impossible to lock it against the rest of them?

(Haven't played DF since 31.21, in case this has changed since then)

I REMEMBER NOW!!! I just realized that, rather than locking/unlocking the hatch, I'd connected it to a lever. That way it didn't matter whether I controlled it or not, and my filter system is still sound!

[Hannibal Barcalounger]

Hatches as well can prevent upward building destroyers.  And they can be easily locked by hand, no slow-acting levers.

Wait hatches block building destroyers going up? Well I never knew that.

I tested this. A hatch over a stair CAN be destroyed by a building destroyer creature standing on the stairs one level below, but ONLY if the hatch isn't forbidden. For some reason, once the hatch is forbidden, the BD creature can't attack it, or perhaps chooses not to.

It's probably a combination of the latter and pathing - once the hatch is forbidden, there's no path to the rest of the fort, so the critter sees no point in attacking, maybe? I dunno. But I definitely tested it with a forgotten beast rising up from the caverns, and forbidding the hatch definitely protected me from it.

I didn't try any lever arrangement, though, so I can't say for sure whether lever-controlled hatches are safe or vulnerable to BD creatures 1 level underneath.

[Loud Whispers]

This is most peculiar.

[Teneb]

What about ramps? Can they destroy non-forbidden hatches that way too? Science must be done.

[Aspgren]

This raises three questions for me.

1. Can hatches be lockpicked from below?
2. Can flying building-destroyers fly over a moat and tear down the drawbridge while in mid-air above said moat?
3. Will the drawbridge, if lowered, atomsmash the flyer or will it push him down a Z level into the moat?

[Teneb]

I belive that, in regards to #2, only if they actually get behind the bridge.

For #1 you'd need to capture a thief, gremlin or kobold. Goblin thief should be the easiest.

For #3, you could build a test chamber with a moat and a drawbridge (no way around the bridge) and release a flier there, wait for it to occupy the empty air square and lower the bridge.

[Aspgren]

Yes ... testing shouldn't be too hard but it'll take time I don't have.

The earliest I can do this is November 11th.

[Quietust]

I was under the impression that a drawbridge could be destroyed if the destroyer could stand on one of the tiles it normally occupies when it's lowered... so if / is the bridge when raised, and _ is a tile it lowers into, then
fort /__ baddy would not be safe, and fort __\ baddy would be safe. I might just be spouting a myth though. If anyone knows of a good !!science!! thread that tests this, please link, and If anyone has had any !!fun!! experiences with this, please post. Also curious if flyers can break through doors/windows/bridges in mid air, or if they need solid ground next to it...

That has nothing to do with BUILDINGDESTROYER and everything to do with (BODY_)SIZE - drawbridges only deconstruct when attempting to atomsmash large creatures.

I am unaware of any circumstances under which building destroyers have ever been able to destroy drawbridges.

[Kilroy the Grand]

woops

[Teneb]

This.... would actually be interesting, if you make it just right I suppose you could use DF to model infectious diseases, through thousands of years. Maybe make a world filled with zombies or Things.

This has made me even more excited for the next version.

Sir, I belive your posted on the wrong thread, the one you refer to is over at general discussion.

[Kilroy the Grand]

Sir, I belive your posted on the wrong thread, the one you refer to is over at general discussion.

Serves me right for looking at more than one thread at a time.